Sorry, I don't know if we will agree on this, but I actually think I agree with you as well as with the harsh stuff I said.
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I started hating them when I tried to help my mother get Jupyter working on her Windows PC for an online course while I was up visiting. Both of us are extremely experienced coders and I also had experience setting up Jupyter on Linux and it was a total mess.
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If you compare this to (sorry) the extremely positive experience she had installing Octave for her most recent course, it’s clear Jupyter has a problem.
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Yup, people seem to forget that is true even for experts! I basically cry with frustration when it's that time of year when I have to update CUDA and TensorFlow. It *only* takes like a whole day...

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And sadly this is such a norm that I help PhD students in my lab to learn to deal with it, as obviously otherwise they will get stuck and I can't spend a day doing it for them either.
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They come in all naive (as the world should be) like "but the docs say X". And I'm like, "everybody is making a mess, it's probably wrong"!
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There's a great talk on this, I think you linked me to it
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I loved watching that!
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