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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Of course it is without caveats and deeper knowledge just like equivalent ignorant use of IDEs without understanding the deeper pedagogical issues — more on my thoughts here:http://neuroplausible.com/matlab 

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    2. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 6 Dec 2018
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      Yup. At the cloud event yesterday one individual pointed out correctly that the problem is that when you give someone a tool they think it's the right tool for everything. He also explained that public cloud is the right tool for everything. 🤷‍♂️

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    3. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 6 Dec 2018
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      I mean, my only other more general comment about the notebook concept (not just Jupyter) is that there were a number of tools in the 90s with a similar interface called "the worksheet" and this interface was completely abandoned for pretty much the reasons I describe.

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Yes, it's flimsy and hype-driven.

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    5. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 6 Dec 2018
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      I think this is wildly unfair... jup met and meets many of my needs for interactive data analysis that were unmet in the 90s, when I was also doing research ;). Most alternatives were closed, none were web based, etc etc. I’m sure there are better things possible, of course.

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    6. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @ctitusbrown @o_guest and

      And when you combine with the ecosystem level stuff, including JupyterHub and Binder, I don’t see alternatives... the expansion to JupyterLab (and other alternative frontends) shows that this is a platform approach that works.

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    7. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 6 Dec 2018
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      Time will tell if that is a good thing. So often the first product that "worked" then became successful and later an obstacle to progress.

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    8. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @khinsen @o_guest and

      yes, agreed that this is a challenge. OTOH I do have to get work done in the meantime.

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    9. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @ctitusbrown @o_guest and

      Me too! But I think we should spend more effort than we do on making tools fundamentally better, as opposed to just adding features to whatever "works".

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    10. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @khinsen @ctitusbrown and

      And the first is to admit that we don't know what's best. Anti-hype attitude.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @khinsen @ctitusbrown and

      I think it's very tricky. And I don't think anybody in this thread has promoted hype directly at all.

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        2. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @ctitusbrown and

          No. But lots of others do, and that's part of the problem. As is the related phenomenon of the enthusiasm bubble.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @khinsen @ctitusbrown and

          Agreed. 💯

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