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    1. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 6 Dec 2018
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      Yup. At the cloud event yesterday one individual pointed out correctly that the problem is that when you give someone a tool they think it's the right tool for everything. He also explained that public cloud is the right tool for everything. 🤷‍♂️

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    2. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @owainkenway @o_guest @dvalts

      I mean, my only other more general comment about the notebook concept (not just Jupyter) is that there were a number of tools in the 90s with a similar interface called "the worksheet" and this interface was completely abandoned for pretty much the reasons I describe.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @owainkenway @dvalts

      Yes, it's flimsy and hype-driven.

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    4. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 6 Dec 2018
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      I think this is wildly unfair... jup met and meets many of my needs for interactive data analysis that were unmet in the 90s, when I was also doing research ;). Most alternatives were closed, none were web based, etc etc. I’m sure there are better things possible, of course.

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    5. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 6 Dec 2018
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      And when you combine with the ecosystem level stuff, including JupyterHub and Binder, I don’t see alternatives... the expansion to JupyterLab (and other alternative frontends) shows that this is a platform approach that works.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @ctitusbrown @owainkenway @dvalts

      Sorry, I don't know if we will agree on this, but I actually think I agree with you as well as with the harsh stuff I said.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @ctitusbrown and

      And I use jupyter pretty much all the time.

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    8. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @ctitusbrown @dvalts

      It's definitely a tool that has its uses. I think it is often misused though. I'm quite keen when I get a chance to play with the Jupyter Notebook <-> Visual Studio Code stuff. You know, in my infinite time!

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @owainkenway @ctitusbrown @dvalts

      I think my logic from my Matlab post is exactly what the issue is here: "GUIs and IDEs are great — just like once we already know how to drive using a manual transmission we can easily switch to automatic — but they predominantly do not push us to develop our skills further."

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    10. Yuvi Panda‏ @yuvipanda 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @owainkenway and

      I want to point out that not everyone wants to develop their (programming) skills further - writing code itself is a tool for doing something else. For example, the folks in a Rhetoric class at Berkeley were able to use this to do sentiment analysis on political speeches.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @yuvipanda @owainkenway and

      Absolutely. I was talking about my issue, which is that I do want to teach my students to code.

      8:48 AM - 6 Dec 2018
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @yuvipanda and

          I'm a computational modeler in a experimental psych department so I am coming at it from a very specific perspective.

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        3. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @yuvipanda and

          no firm conclusion to this tweet, but: there's something in here about several different communities of practice, including active coders, data scientist/scripters + learners, teachers, etc.

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        4. Brant Peterson‏ @fixedbydrift 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @ctitusbrown @o_guest and

          I strongly agree with the conclusion that isn't in this tweet ;) I also think a lot of consternation around notebooks in pedagogy is that they're amazing for learning a new package or trick or visualization >>

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        5. Brant Peterson‏ @fixedbydrift 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @fixedbydrift @ctitusbrown and

          << _when you're already an experienced programmer in the first place_ From what I've observed, just operating successfully in the jupyter environment seems to require pretty high cognitive overhead and comfort with python (or whatever language)

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @fixedbydrift @ctitusbrown and

          Just installing it seems to be hard for newbies especially if they've accidentally mixed and matched between conda, pipt, etc.

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        7. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 7 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @fixedbydrift and

          I started hating them when I tried to help my mother get Jupyter working on her Windows PC for an online course while I was up visiting. Both of us are extremely experienced coders and I also had experience setting up Jupyter on Linux and it was a total mess.

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        8. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 7 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @owainkenway @o_guest and

          If you compare this to (sorry) the extremely positive experience she had installing Octave for her most recent course, it’s clear Jupyter has a problem.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @owainkenway @fixedbydrift and

          Yup, people seem to forget that is true even for experts! I basically cry with frustration when it's that time of year when I have to update CUDA and TensorFlow. It *only* takes like a whole day... 😏

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