Also references @owainkenway's interesting read on the subject: https://owainkenwayucl.github.io/2017/10/03/WhyIDontLikeNotebooks.html …
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"If we want to we can switch to a fancy IDE after we already know the tougher stuff. We learn multiplication tables off by heart before we switch to using our smartphone as a calculator." Tools are tools. Not universal solutions.
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"Research will throw harder programming tasks at us than quickly making graphs or fast matrix multiplication. Thus we need to accept that sometimes learning new things can be hard (as well as fun)."
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Everybody in this thread knows that, but many students just are not taught this!
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I want to point out that not everyone wants to develop their (programming) skills further - writing code itself is a tool for doing something else. For example, the folks in a Rhetoric class at Berkeley were able to use this to do sentiment analysis on political speeches.
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Absolutely. I was talking about my issue, which is that I do want to teach my students to code.
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I'm a computational modeler in a experimental psych department so I am coming at it from a very specific perspective.
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no firm conclusion to this tweet, but: there's something in here about several different communities of practice, including active coders, data scientist/scripters + learners, teachers, etc.
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I strongly agree with the conclusion that isn't in this tweet ;) I also think a lot of consternation around notebooks in pedagogy is that they're amazing for learning a new package or trick or visualization >>
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<< _when you're already an experienced programmer in the first place_ From what I've observed, just operating successfully in the jupyter environment seems to require pretty high cognitive overhead and comfort with python (or whatever language)
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Just installing it seems to be hard for newbies especially if they've accidentally mixed and matched between conda, pipt, etc.
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I started hating them when I tried to help my mother get Jupyter working on her Windows PC for an online course while I was up visiting. Both of us are extremely experienced coders and I also had experience setting up Jupyter on Linux and it was a total mess.
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