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    1. Declan Valters‏ @dvalts 6 Dec 2018
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      Jupyter Notebooks considered harmful? @jsinger_compsci making the case at @EPCCed today.pic.twitter.com/mXsEuQzkx0

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    2. Declan Valters‏ @dvalts 6 Dec 2018
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      Also references @owainkenway's interesting read on the subject: https://owainkenwayucl.github.io/2017/10/03/WhyIDontLikeNotebooks.html …

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @dvalts @owainkenway

      Of course it is without caveats and deeper knowledge just like equivalent ignorant use of IDEs without understanding the deeper pedagogical issues — more on my thoughts here:http://neuroplausible.com/matlab 

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        2. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 6 Dec 2018
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          Yup. At the cloud event yesterday one individual pointed out correctly that the problem is that when you give someone a tool they think it's the right tool for everything. He also explained that public cloud is the right tool for everything. 🤷‍♂️

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        3. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @owainkenway @o_guest @dvalts

          I mean, my only other more general comment about the notebook concept (not just Jupyter) is that there were a number of tools in the 90s with a similar interface called "the worksheet" and this interface was completely abandoned for pretty much the reasons I describe.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @owainkenway @dvalts

          Yes, it's flimsy and hype-driven.

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        5. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 6 Dec 2018
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          I think this is wildly unfair... jup met and meets many of my needs for interactive data analysis that were unmet in the 90s, when I was also doing research ;). Most alternatives were closed, none were web based, etc etc. I’m sure there are better things possible, of course.

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        6. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 6 Dec 2018
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          And when you combine with the ecosystem level stuff, including JupyterHub and Binder, I don’t see alternatives... the expansion to JupyterLab (and other alternative frontends) shows that this is a platform approach that works.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @ctitusbrown @owainkenway @dvalts

          Sorry, I don't know if we will agree on this, but I actually think I agree with you as well as with the harsh stuff I said.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @ctitusbrown and

          And I use jupyter pretty much all the time.

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        9. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @ctitusbrown @dvalts

          It's definitely a tool that has its uses. I think it is often misused though. I'm quite keen when I get a chance to play with the Jupyter Notebook <-> Visual Studio Code stuff. You know, in my infinite time!

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        2. Yuvi Panda‏ @yuvipanda 6 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dvalts @owainkenway

          Nice post! I wanted to point out a few changes in Jupyte-land that address some of your concerns. (2) is addressed by https://github.com/jupyter/nbdime  (3) a/b are addressed by much more secure defaults we have now re: tokens

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        3. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 10 Dec 2018
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          So uh... about that token authentication:https://twitter.com/owainkenway/status/1072123661019172864 …

          Dr Owain Kenway added,

          Dr Owain Kenway @owainkenway
          Ok, so how does this work? Well a while back, the Jupyter people became aware of issues with it being possible to connect to other people’s notebooks so they enforced “token authentication”. https://twitter.com/owainkenway/status/1072115372902531073 …
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        4. Yuvi Panda‏ @yuvipanda 10 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @owainkenway @o_guest @dvalts

          Would appreciate an email to security@ipython.org if you could get past the token authentication.

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        5. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 10 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @yuvipanda @o_guest @dvalts

          Sent. (sorry I was in really dull meetings)

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        6. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 10 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @owainkenway @yuvipanda and

          (and yes, there's a limited window where it is possible to get the single use token from another user's process and use it)

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