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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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    Hey #AcademicTwitter how do interpret online courses on people's CVs? E.g., if a student/postdoc's CV says: "I did X online course" — do you consider it the same as/better/worse than an equivalent module in a university degree? Please reply with your rationale too if possible!

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      2. Ian Hawke‏ @IanHawke 3 Dec 2018
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        Online typically means candidate sought it out for themselves => intrinsic motivation, proactive learner. Online can mean less peer discussion, content not aligned with other knowledge, low stakes assessment => weak retention, poor connection. CV => starting point for interview

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @IanHawke

        Absolutely, I was wondering how you/I might weight these.

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      4. Ian Hawke‏ @IanHawke 3 Dec 2018
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        So much implicit in this question! Would "we" accept an online coding course before taking on a UG student for a project (absolutely), before taking them on a coding-heavy masters (maybe?), a PhD (perhaps, if there's enough time to train them as well), as a postdoc (NO!).

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      5. Ian Hawke‏ @IanHawke 3 Dec 2018
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        And there's obviously layers and generalizations there as well. I will readily admit that the assumptions I make from how people list such courses aren't at all consistent, and a lot revolves around how I think the course reflects my values (too much to unpack in a tweet).

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      6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @IanHawke

        Agreed but I had to ask somehow.

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      2. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @o_guest

        I’ve done both myself and while I’ve learnt a lot from online courses the depth and quality varies a lot - sure it also varies on taught courses but the quality of these at least is typically assessed in some way.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @hisotalus

        I've never fully done an online course except occasionally viewing lectures. I have a hunch that the online courses though can be quite strange/tough for self-motivation based on what I know from others.

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      4. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus 3 Dec 2018
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        I learnt how to write experiments on MATLAB using lecture slides that were available online for psychtoolbox (a MATLAB toolbox for writing experiments in psychology). However, if I was to write that in a CV I would phrase it as 'self-learnt'.But then I don't think taking a course

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      5. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus 3 Dec 2018
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        whether it's online or in person is interesting in itself. It's interesting to know what you've learnt. E.g. looking at a CV that says they did a course where they used MATLAB does not suggest to me that they know MATLAB.

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      6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        100% agreed.

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      2. Tiny Angry Crab‏ @TinyAngryCrab 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @o_guest

        I imagine on a CV I would weight it as worse simply because the floor for achievement is a lot lower - but if I knew the person, there are some people who I know who I would expect to get more from an online course than a taught one!

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @TinyAngryCrab

        That's a legit bias though.

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      4. Tiny Angry Crab‏ @TinyAngryCrab 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @o_guest

        for sure. i am not involved in hiring, but broadly i would tend to ignore qualifications versus eg portfolio material in the areas i would be interested in - i know too many people with bad degrees/quals who are super productive and incredibly good!

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      5. Tiny Angry Crab‏ @TinyAngryCrab 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @TinyAngryCrab @o_guest

        a friend of mine who had always been a very weak student at school ended up doing computer science at edinburgh: he had to retake a year because he kept failing a maths course. he found an mit lecture series on that area and went from failing to getting the top 1st in his year

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      6. Tiny Angry Crab‏ @TinyAngryCrab 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @TinyAngryCrab @o_guest

        I always wonder how many people are in the position he was in before he found the material that would let him "get it". it's rather asymmetric: you only need to understand something once...!

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @TinyAngryCrab

        I have had similar problems myself so I totally get it.

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      2. Dr. Mark Coates‏ @ProfCoates 3 Dec 2018
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        I have done many @coursera courses for fun. I've found the assessment aspect of those courses to be very poor, even if the lectures/content was excellent. So there is little information conveyed by an online course on a CV, even if the student learnt a great deal.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @ProfCoates @coursera

        That's a worry, true.

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      2. Ria Kodosaki‏ @micro_glia 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @o_guest

        It depends on content and material taught, as well as the method(s) of delivering the course/module, but as a module can be fancy sounding and end up being useless because of what's taught and how it's taught, an online course can be the same.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @micro_glia

        I said equivalent to compel you to assume the quality is comparable, but I guess if you think the quality is not comparable because people react/behave differently then you could argue there is no such thing as actually comparable. I probably think that too. Does that make sense?

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      4. Ria Kodosaki‏ @micro_glia 3 Dec 2018
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        Yup. A lot of people take online courses as not as serious as modules, and I've seen people who took a course claim they've mastered the topic. A lot of them have marking, but it's peer marking, so unless someone knows what they're doing it has the potential to turn bad.

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