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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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      Why are these so many logical positivists and scientism supporters around these days? What happened? Are we re-running the 20th century but with a different random seed and the tech BS parameter set higher?

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    2. Felix‏ @FelixChaser 1 Dec 2018
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      I think I know what you mean. But do you have an example in mind?

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    3. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 1 Dec 2018
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      It’s called labelism, label an opinion you don’t like with negative labels so you don’t even have to engage with reason, evidence and critique. And thus not even have to consider that your own position might have weak points.

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    4. Felix‏ @FelixChaser 1 Dec 2018
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      Well, I happen to think that logical positivism does have significant weak points, which is why it seems to have been abandoned by most. I'm just seeking clarification regarding who is supporting it or similar views.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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      For various reasons, I can't list names of people in my field who I think tend towards this. But famous people/pop scientists are very easy to come by, in face I challenge you to find a prominent pop scientist who is not a logpos-er.

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        2. Felix‏ @FelixChaser 1 Dec 2018
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          I think I see what you mean. Dawkins and deGrasse Tyson have said some very silly things about philosophy, for example. The only pop scientist I can think for your challenge is Sean Carroll, though that depends on what you mean by pop scientist.

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        3. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 1 Dec 2018
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          Just a reminder: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_positivism …

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        4. Felix‏ @FelixChaser 1 Dec 2018
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          I don't know whether Dawkins and deGrasse Tyson endorse logical positivism itself, but they certainly have expressed views suggestive of scientism. I know that accusations of scientism are often thrown around in an asinine manner, but there exist some genuine examples of it.

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        5. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 1 Dec 2018
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          I do know and they are not logical positivists by any stretch of the imagination. 1 Many people are deep essentialists and focus on “what matters”. 2 Some are much more existentialist (Dawkins: gradualist) and focus on “what is”. 1 will accuse 2 of scientism.

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        6. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 1 Dec 2018
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          This article is written by a 1 on Dawkins, who is as 2 as people get: https://www.philosophersmag.com/footnotes-to-plato/108-richard-dawkins … The article seem to address content sometimes but doesn’t actually. But also highlights perception, what people experience, etc.; thinks TGD is bad theology.

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        7. Felix‏ @FelixChaser 2 Dec 2018
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          I'm not sure that Pigliucci would accept the label of "essentialist", though that too depends on what you mean by it. In any case, I think he has said something worthwhile against scientismhttps://aeon.co/essays/the-string-theory-wars-show-us-how-science-needs-philosophy …

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        8. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 2 Dec 2018
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          I don’t think he is the first example of an essentialist, no. But compared to Dawkins almost everybody is. The questions to ask are: is it factually wrong? Is it morally wrong? Is it perceptually wrong? Dawkins isn’t often wrong on the first two. But acts like a butcher on last.

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        9. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 2 Dec 2018
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          (And another mistake in Gould/Dawkins is to think Dawkins is a reductionist. Genes are what replicate, that drives all other effects. But cooperating genes are better than any single gene. System effects are important but not primary.)

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        1. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 1 Dec 2018
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          None are. But I am sure you will give us an example and an argument, then we can see.

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