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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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    Why are these so many logical positivists and scientism supporters around these days? What happened? Are we re-running the 20th century but with a different random seed and the tech BS parameter set higher?

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      2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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        Popperians everywhere!

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2018
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        Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

        Popper was not a logical positivist, just to be clear...https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1068801665850064896 …

        Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

        Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
        Replying to @CathrynTownsend
        Yeah, indeed. I meant we're rerunning all the philosophies from the last century.
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      2. Adam Pegler‏ @pegleraj 1 Dec 2018
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        Scientism is bad, but a little bit of logical positivism never hurt anyone!

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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        I'm not sure it's a little. But explain either way. 😅

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      4. Adam Pegler‏ @pegleraj 1 Dec 2018
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        I think the logical positivists’ scrutiny of unclear language and untestable claims was a real contribution, for example, and we’d benefit today from more of that.

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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        Do you have examples of what you mean? Because superficially I think somebody who is not a logica positive would agree with that.

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      6. Adam Pegler‏ @pegleraj 1 Dec 2018
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        The analysis of the language of science was a big part of what the logical positivists did. This probably problematically lead them to extreme positions like ‘the meaning of a sentence is the method of its verification’ - which was sort of the foundation for operationism.

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      7. Adam Pegler‏ @pegleraj 1 Dec 2018
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        They took it a bit far and the characteur of their positions took it even further - but it was an honest attempt to improve science I think. That’s why I say a little bit of lp is fine.

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      8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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        Sorry if I was not clear. When I said examples, I meant examples where you think people in my field would "benefit today from more of that." — I just don't see this as a core problem of my field, but I could be totally wrong (hence why I am asking for clarification).

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      9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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        If anything I would say there is an obsession with formal methods, which is affecting the subfield I am in. negatively, even though it might seem to superficially help the greater field as a whole.

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      2. Michael Payton‏ @MichaelPayton67 1 Dec 2018
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        What would you replace it with? Ordinary Language philosophy? Should we be analyzing the conceptual structure of statements in order to better understand the world?

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2018
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        It's been replaced.

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      4. Michael Payton‏ @MichaelPayton67 2 Dec 2018
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        With what?

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2018
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        Replying to @MichaelPayton67

        Probably depends on the discipline.

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      6. Michael Payton‏ @MichaelPayton67 2 Dec 2018
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        I’m just confused because: 1) Quine while not a LP definitely thought science was the only source for true knowledge 2) in other comments you’ve lumped Popper in with the positivists 3) you don’t seem to be saying the problem at the heart of this is philosophy of perception

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2018
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        Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

        No, not at all for 2. See subthread:https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1068801665850064896 …

        Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

        Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
        Replying to @CathrynTownsend
        Yeah, indeed. I meant we're rerunning all the philosophies from the last century.
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      8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2018
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        I'm not entirely sure what your goal is here though. If you disagree with my facetious observation, obviously, that's fine.

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      9. Michael Payton‏ @MichaelPayton67 2 Dec 2018
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        Well I’m trying to understand why you think this is such a catastrophe. It’s not as if LP and Positivism don’t have contemporary adherents making persuasive cases: see Ross and Ladyman’s “Everything must Go” it was a great book and widely praised

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      2. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 1 Dec 2018
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        and more and more eugenicists, at least it seems to me

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 1 Dec 2018
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        It's depressing!

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      4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 3 Dec 2018
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        Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Samantha Asumadu

        https://twitter.com/honestlyAbroad/status/1069665275312791553?s=19 …

        Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

        Samantha Asumadu @honestlyAbroad
        'The author attempts to avoid the charge of racism by arguing that the virtues of eugenics should not be tempered by the ends to which these ideas were put by the Nazis during the Holocaust... https://mediadiversified.org/2018/12/03/open-letter-eugenics-is-back-in-vogue-again-from-the-observer-to-the-monash-bioethics-review/ … via @WritersofColour
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      5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 3 Dec 2018
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        WTF??!

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