The academic ability is never going to be an issue at higher-ranked Universities in social science subjects, and shouldn't be an argument against teaching programming to social scientists, but it might be much more of an issue for lower ranked ones with A Level reqs that are low
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+ there's likely to be resistance at that end too because 'cheap to run' courses are seen as a way of propping up more expensive ones by management, and adding computing labs is a surefire way to make a course more expensive to run. Many courses are non-accredited at low end too.
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But of course, if computing education was actually introduced in schools appropriately, it would be much less of an issue regardless because everyone would have some familiarity with basics anyway.
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Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ
I did bring this up in my blog. See:https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1067367826363682816 …
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Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guestReplying to @HToulmin100% agreed! It is heartening to read about the fact that a few countries agree w us. See: "The sooner we start teaching kids to code, the better. I think everybody should be taught to code in primary school and thankfully so do quite a few countries." http://neuroplausible.com/programming1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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I read it! The biggest issue with the U.K. way of doing it was that they basically just told a bunch of teachers with no prior computing experience to start teaching programming
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I don't know anything about schooling in the UK. I have no first hand experience of what it is like, but it seems really bad. At my school, not in the UK, we had no issues with teachers teaching us coding because we have no issues training women to be coders.
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I think the baseline level of knowledge is low everywhere in the U.K. to be honest. When I did IT at school (2004-2009) it involved learning how to use Excel and PowerPoint - no programming at all
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And I did "computing" in HS in 94-00 and we did Pascal, Logo, 6502 assembler, Prolog and some horror that never took off called primex. I am *convinced* that some time after that a decision was taken to give a dumbed down "more general" IT eduction in IT/ICT and now here we are.
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This wasn't a private school by the way, it was a Scottish state school.
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I was a state school too and don't get me wrong state schools in Cyprus are fucking wild. We had teachers that would beat up, wrestle on the ground with, students.
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But we also had teachers, esp at my highschool (the really bad stuff was at my middle school) who taught us stuff sometimes. The main thing is what we did NOT have: gendered subjects.
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I think that one thing that really doesn't serve the UK system well is introducing too much choice too early. At 14 you can drop subjects like Computing, IT, Languages, and anything other than a multiple choice level of Science and never have to do them again
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Yup. Dropping subjects at a young age is dangerous IMHO.
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