Saying that though - most Physics/Engineering undergrads won’t have done any programming when they come to University either and they’re still taught it because it’s seen as being useful, even though most of them won’t use it professionally.
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I agree. I think that the numer of disciplines where programming is not useful is decreasing by the day, and so more and more departments should be teaching programming to make up for the fact that kids don’t learn it in school. This shouldn’t have to be the case but
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One thing that's maybe worth considering is the relative academic ability of the students too. To get entry to a 'traditional' science subject, you normally need to have very decent A Level grades even at lower ranked institutions.
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Replying to @r_a_p_92 @owainkenway
The academic ability is never going to be an issue at higher-ranked Universities in social science subjects, and shouldn't be an argument against teaching programming to social scientists, but it might be much more of an issue for lower ranked ones with A Level reqs that are low
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Replying to @r_a_p_92 @owainkenway
+ there's likely to be resistance at that end too because 'cheap to run' courses are seen as a way of propping up more expensive ones by management, and adding computing labs is a surefire way to make a course more expensive to run. Many courses are non-accredited at low end too.
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Replying to @r_a_p_92 @owainkenway
But of course, if computing education was actually introduced in schools appropriately, it would be much less of an issue regardless because everyone would have some familiarity with basics anyway.
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Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ
I did bring this up in my blog. See:https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1067367826363682816 …
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Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guestReplying to @HToulmin100% agreed! It is heartening to read about the fact that a few countries agree w us. See: "The sooner we start teaching kids to code, the better. I think everybody should be taught to code in primary school and thankfully so do quite a few countries." http://neuroplausible.com/programming1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @o_guest @owainkenway
I read it! The biggest issue with the U.K. way of doing it was that they basically just told a bunch of teachers with no prior computing experience to start teaching programming
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Replying to @r_a_p_92 @owainkenway
I don't know anything about schooling in the UK. I have no first hand experience of what it is like, but it seems really bad. At my school, not in the UK, we had no issues with teachers teaching us coding because we have no issues training women to be coders.
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I think the baseline level of knowledge is low everywhere in the U.K. to be honest. When I did IT at school (2004-2009) it involved learning how to use Excel and PowerPoint - no programming at all
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I did IT at high school 2003-2006 and we did VB and Pascal. Sorry to hear how bad it is in the UK.
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