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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @owainkenway @richarddmorey and

      Same here. I hate thinking the GUI way. As if the actions one can take are set in linear order. Computer programing is in this sense like writing natural language. Imagine doing an essay using a menu and thinking that's normal.

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    2. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @owainkenway and

      "ok, now highlight the verb 'go', then 'Insert -> Prepositional Phrase -> Direction -> To'; in the new box, type 'store' as the object, and tick the 'add definite article' box. Then highlight the entire sentence, click Format Sentence Type from the ribbon, choose 'Question'..."

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    3. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @o_guest and

      Perhaps the appeal is that all of those words on the menus are normal English words. I think there may have been a reaction to CLIs, especially Unix-style ones (ls, chmod, etc), as requiring you to "memorise a lot of jargon", "speak like a geek", etc.

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    4. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @richarddmorey and

      That reminds me of when my kids learned judo. The names of the moves are inherently unambiguous to a non-Japanese speaker, but as far as I can tell they are fairly dull phrases in Japanese. Maybe "obscure" jargon is in fact easier to learn. Do we need a cognitive linguist here?

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    5. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @richarddmorey and

      In defence of GUIs, though, I suspect they may fit better in truly event-driven programming worlds. CLIs tend to come from the tradition of "execution starts at the top, falls slowly through to the bottom with maybe some loops on the way" (like scripting).

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    6. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @richarddmorey and

      Having actually written a chess program on a Mac circa 1988, using the Mac API in Pascal with everything being driven by events, I can't imagine what that would look like with a CLI. And we do mostly recommend RStudio to go along with R (although I wouldn't recommend RCommander).

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @richarddmorey and

      There's a lot of concepts getting mixed up here. As I said somewhere above. Rote learning is not all bad because some rote learning generalises. Multiplication tables for example are rote and generalise. Menus for stats or coding? Not as much.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @sTeamTraen and

      This is all in my blog post so I'll stop and focus on finishing it.

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    9. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @sTeamTraen and

      Probably OT for your upcoming post, but the present discussion did remind me of a favourite trope: https://blog.codinghorror.com/this-is-what-happens-when-you-let-developers-create-ui/ … or https://jcooney.net/archive/2006/10/30/36235.html … via/by @codinghorror & @josephcooney As a full-stack dev, I have to constantly prevent myself from recreating "the Dialog", ugh.

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    10. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @o_guest and

      Luckily for me, my day job requires zero GUI programming so I'm at no risk of "the dialog" but I am often, however, guilty of its command-line cousin which is 39 conflicting "friendly" undocumented command line arguments on a single tool.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @owainkenway @GraziosiSergio and

      Full disclosure: I have made GUIs that are pretty bad. Many sins in GTK++ in C during my PhD. 🤣

      12:59 PM - 26 Nov 2018
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        1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @owainkenway and

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          BTW I posted the blog post. Had to ignore Twitter to get it done.https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1067079340507217920 …

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          New blog post! 👩🏻‍💻👨🏿‍💻👩🏾‍💻👨🏽‍💻👩🏼‍💻👩🏿‍💻👨🏻‍💻 Why women in psychology can't program "About two months ago my brother, who works in a data science on social psychology data, asked me why his colleagues, who are women and have PhDs in psychology, cannot code" http://neuroplausible.com/programming 
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        1. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey 26 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @owainkenway and

          oh I’ve been there

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