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    1. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @o_guest and

      > Every time I fire up SPSS with its unnecessary windows and a million menu options that aren't organised in any way that makes sense, I think of that research.

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    2. Dr Owain Kenway‏ @owainkenway 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @o_guest and

      I find "powerful" GUIs confusing and frazzling to be honest. It's a visual maze with no clear path.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @owainkenway @richarddmorey and

      Same here. I hate thinking the GUI way. As if the actions one can take are set in linear order. Computer programing is in this sense like writing natural language. Imagine doing an essay using a menu and thinking that's normal.

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    4. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @owainkenway and

      "ok, now highlight the verb 'go', then 'Insert -> Prepositional Phrase -> Direction -> To'; in the new box, type 'store' as the object, and tick the 'add definite article' box. Then highlight the entire sentence, click Format Sentence Type from the ribbon, choose 'Question'..."

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    5. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @o_guest and

      Perhaps the appeal is that all of those words on the menus are normal English words. I think there may have been a reaction to CLIs, especially Unix-style ones (ls, chmod, etc), as requiring you to "memorise a lot of jargon", "speak like a geek", etc.

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    6. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @richarddmorey and

      That reminds me of when my kids learned judo. The names of the moves are inherently unambiguous to a non-Japanese speaker, but as far as I can tell they are fairly dull phrases in Japanese. Maybe "obscure" jargon is in fact easier to learn. Do we need a cognitive linguist here?

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    7. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @richarddmorey and

      In defence of GUIs, though, I suspect they may fit better in truly event-driven programming worlds. CLIs tend to come from the tradition of "execution starts at the top, falls slowly through to the bottom with maybe some loops on the way" (like scripting).

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    8. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @richarddmorey and

      Having actually written a chess program on a Mac circa 1988, using the Mac API in Pascal with everything being driven by events, I can't imagine what that would look like with a CLI. And we do mostly recommend RStudio to go along with R (although I wouldn't recommend RCommander).

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    9. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @o_guest and

      I would not claim that there is no place for GUIs; I like them for some things. But GUI *everything* is bad, and that's where we are. @CandiceMorey has noticed that with SPSS, some students don't get the connection between the calculations they're doing and the numbers in SPSS. >

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    10. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @o_guest and

      I think there is a case to be made that SPSS makes it possible for people to pass their stats courses without having a clue what the numbers mean. Whether universal adoption of R would fix that, I don't know. Maybe they would get a friend to do the programming. TurnItIn for code?

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @sTeamTraen @richarddmorey and

      That actually happens on CompSci courses. Tons of cheating.

      4:26 AM - 26 Nov 2018
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        2. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen 26 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @richarddmorey and

          Maybe we need spot check vivas: "So, just explain what this loop does". Trouble is, reading code, even someone else's, may be quite a bit easier than conjuring it up ex nihilo.

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        3. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 26 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @sTeamTraen @o_guest and

          .@jjjjonathon isn't on here much, but he has thoughts in defense of the claim GUIs being easier, justifying @jamovistats being the way forward (for some use cases or audiences)

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