The argument seems to be, I'm paraphrasing, "psych people can't deal with complex stuff" which really boils down to "I can't teach them complex stuff". Taken at face value the argument is psych researchers are not clever — reality of course is not aligned really with that view.
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Replying to @o_guest @djnavarro
I should underline that those proposing "psych people just can't code/whatever" are the most opportunistic in their negative take on students & whoever else in the field. They would never accept the same about themselves if stated bluntly: "you couldn't learn to code/do stats".
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Replying to @o_guest @djnavarro
It has been suggested to me - in the context of curriculum refresh - that psych undergraduate students just don't want to learn coding or stats. I don't think it's an accident that the people saying these things are older men, and the students are mostly women.
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I mean, this is clearly true of *a lot* of psych undergrads (men and women both), and I see no reason to deny it. but the fact that many students don't want to learn statistics is not a reason not to include statistics in the curriculum—and the same should be true for coding.
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Replying to @talyarkoni @richarddmorey and
I agree with this. There's a pretty clear selection bias, where undergraduates are choosing psych to deliberately avoid such things. I think giving into the selection bias rather than pushing against it is a big mistake.
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Replying to @JonORawe @richarddmorey and
agreed, but we should also recognize that there *are* genuine benefits to having a reputation as an easy major. at most institutions, raising standards for the major would decrease enrollment—and hence probably also faculty lines, grad students, etc. it's a double-edged sword.
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Replying to @talyarkoni @JonORawe and
In many countries the financial bottom line wins out: bums on seats = money in the account. HM psych undergrad programs use stats courses as front line recruiting tool? Usually kept back stage, hidden from view for fear of losing potential recruits. Coding would be similar.
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Replying to @itjohnstone @talyarkoni and
However, stats are taught because accrediting bodies require it. Coding, in my opinion, should also be a requirement from accrediting bodies. Success rates & student uptake & satisfaction would be similar to stats. ie, mixed. Value to students enormous.
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Yeah, I said this already about BPS in UK, for example. Totally agreed.
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