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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 24 Nov 2018
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      I should underline that those proposing "psych people just can't code/whatever" are the most opportunistic in their negative take on students & whoever else in the field. They would never accept the same about themselves if stated bluntly: "you couldn't learn to code/do stats".

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    2. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey 24 Nov 2018
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      It has been suggested to me - in the context of curriculum refresh - that psych undergraduate students just don't want to learn coding or stats. I don't think it's an accident that the people saying these things are older men, and the students are mostly women.

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    3. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni 24 Nov 2018
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      I mean, this is clearly true of *a lot* of psych undergrads (men and women both), and I see no reason to deny it. but the fact that many students don't want to learn statistics is not a reason not to include statistics in the curriculum—and the same should be true for coding.

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    4. EJ Wagenmakers‏ @EJWagenmakers 25 Nov 2018
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      Agreed, but I am not sure that combining these in a single course is wise, and I worry about students without coding experience feeling that they start with a handicap (because they do). In their first stats course, I like students to grasp the concepts, not "tapply".

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Dale Barr

      You might want to see what others do further down the thread:https://twitter.com/dalejbarr/status/1066431058764288000 …

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

      Dale Barr @dalejbarr
      Replying to @sTeamTraen @Matt_Craddock and 8 others
      We don't really present it to them in terms of learning R. We present it in terms of the skills that are required to manage and make sense of large, complex datasets and to perform reproducible and transparent analyses
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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

      The thing is all students have a "handicap" in some way or another. I am better than people who just speak Engish at using/naming Greek letters (because I am a native Greek speaking) or knowing prima facie what "prosopagnosia" means etc.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

      That doesn't mean we don't teach students. As I said elsewhere:https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1066649799875796992 …

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
      Replying to @sharoz @sTeamTraen and 7 others
      When I taught a small class of undergraduates to do neural networks from scratch (no library, just for loops) we didn't do scoping and they coped.
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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

      Those undergrads knew no coding (only two had coded before and not in Python). By the end, they knew how to do the tasks required for the module. And they all good really good grades.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

      Every class introduces "handicaps". I did maths in both English and Greek (literally twice, once in high school and once in private A levels) which really helped when I moved to the UK. I didn't need to relearn all the maths terms in English in computer science.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

      However, other Cypriots did need to learn all new vocabularies. Was that a "handicap"? Yes! I also had a huge handicap compared to English/home students. I literally had so much trouble coping with the UK system. That is life, sadly.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

      My point is that you can learn a stats class and not teach everything to do with coding. Just like you can teach maths in English and not teach English grammar (even though it is useful for understanding the new maths concepts and native English speakers will have an advantage).

      6:38 AM - 25 Nov 2018
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          In addition, I believe that as many others have said in this thread (@djnavarro @dalejbarr @richarddmorey @aeronlaffere @morungos) UGs do want and enjoy coding classes as well as stats classes.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

          The great thing is I have seen it first hand at UCL. And it has been described by many others herein too for both UG and masters levels. Very heartening.https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1066396255864053760 …

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
          Replying to @sTeamTraen @aeronlaffere and 5 others
          Well, given this happens at UCL, at the MSc level (one year course p much everybody does before PhD, just to make sure USA ppl understand), we can know. The lecturer who teaches research methods teaches R, and same for the one who teaches coding for experiments (Python and JS).
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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          😂 Haha did a load of typos because my battery is at 4% and I like to live dangerously.

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