The argument seems to be, I'm paraphrasing, "psych people can't deal with complex stuff" which really boils down to "I can't teach them complex stuff". Taken at face value the argument is psych researchers are not clever — reality of course is not aligned really with that view.
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Replying to @o_guest @djnavarro
I should underline that those proposing "psych people just can't code/whatever" are the most opportunistic in their negative take on students & whoever else in the field. They would never accept the same about themselves if stated bluntly: "you couldn't learn to code/do stats".
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Replying to @o_guest @djnavarro
It has been suggested to me - in the context of curriculum refresh - that psych undergraduate students just don't want to learn coding or stats. I don't think it's an accident that the people saying these things are older men, and the students are mostly women.
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I mean, this is clearly true of *a lot* of psych undergrads (men and women both), and I see no reason to deny it. but the fact that many students don't want to learn statistics is not a reason not to include statistics in the curriculum—and the same should be true for coding.
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I have talked to many students who, after having to learn more “techie” skills for a project, realised they *enjoyed* it and they needn’t have been anxious. We do our students a major disservice by indulging a bad cultural bias that they have internalised!
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I agree with this, but it isn't true if everyone, and it doesn't change the fact that a lot of students would preemptively opt out of the major if you added formal requirements
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Replying to @talyarkoni @richarddmorey and
I'm on the same page as you in that I think we should insist on these requirements anyway, but I don't think we should deny that there would be a nontrivial impact on enrollment at most schools
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This is true more in the USA, where you can simply switch majors by changing the mix of classes you take, than the UK. I see no evidence that before they enroll, students have more than a vague idea what psych is about.
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Replying to @richarddmorey @talyarkoni and
So we get to shape their ideas about psych. In the UK you are in a set three year program and you don’t just switch.
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Works better IMHO with respect to this, but the BPS is making some things very hard with their requirements for accreditation.
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Problem with organisations like
@BPSOfficial is that they i) have to cater to the clinical side of things, for which accreditation is surely needed, but ii) oversee all psych training even for vast majority who never become clinical psychs. That constrains things far too much.0 replies 1 retweet 1 likeThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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