The argument seems to be, I'm paraphrasing, "psych people can't deal with complex stuff" which really boils down to "I can't teach them complex stuff". Taken at face value the argument is psych researchers are not clever — reality of course is not aligned really with that view.
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Replying to @o_guest @djnavarro
I should underline that those proposing "psych people just can't code/whatever" are the most opportunistic in their negative take on students & whoever else in the field. They would never accept the same about themselves if stated bluntly: "you couldn't learn to code/do stats".
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Replying to @o_guest @djnavarro
It has been suggested to me - in the context of curriculum refresh - that psych undergraduate students just don't want to learn coding or stats. I don't think it's an accident that the people saying these things are older men, and the students are mostly women.
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I mean, this is clearly true of *a lot* of psych undergrads (men and women both), and I see no reason to deny it. but the fact that many students don't want to learn statistics is not a reason not to include statistics in the curriculum—and the same should be true for coding.
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Replying to @talyarkoni @richarddmorey and
I agree with this. There's a pretty clear selection bias, where undergraduates are choosing psych to deliberately avoid such things. I think giving into the selection bias rather than pushing against it is a big mistake.
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Replying to @JonORawe @richarddmorey and
agreed, but we should also recognize that there *are* genuine benefits to having a reputation as an easy major. at most institutions, raising standards for the major would decrease enrollment—and hence probably also faculty lines, grad students, etc. it's a double-edged sword.
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Replying to @talyarkoni @JonORawe and
Just to be clear, I was not ONLY talking about undergrads. Teaching happens all the way through PhD too. And after teaching there are still people who educate themselves on new methods and yet say others cannot be expected to do that.
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well, it seems undeniably true that not everyone can learn everything they might need/want to in a reasonable amount of time. rather than questioning that premise, I would instead go after the move from that observation to "and so we shouldn't teach it."
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Replying to @talyarkoni @o_guest and
it may or may not be true that some people can't learn statistics/coding/math efficiently enough to make it through a science PhD with reasonable requirements. I'm pretty sure I would fail out of a math PhD in short order, for example. but so what? nobody owes me a PhD in math
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Not sure that is relevant to what I was saying.
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