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    1. Matthew Hankins‏ @mc_hankins 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      I was thinking broader, but more along exploratory lines than confirmatory

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    2. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mc_hankins @o_guest and

      There hasn't been much in the way of improving exploratory work apart from saying that we should stop framing it as confirmatory in papers, which i agree with. But the challenge is then to get journals to treat such work seriously because we're in a heavily confirmatory culture.

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    3. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @mc_hankins and

      So with these changes, exploratory work pays the steepest price. We need journals to seriously commit to papers that say: here's this thing i found, it replicates but I have no idea what it means. Science used to work that way.

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    4. Matthew Hankins‏ @mc_hankins 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @o_guest and

      Is the journal problem parochial as well? Or have things already moved too far in that direction? I'm really just interested to learn what problems this approach is trying to solve (is it just exploratory work being falsely reported as confirmatory?)

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mc_hankins @bradpwyble and

      I'm actually so in disagreement, deep deep disagreement with even the language used to frame this debate, that I can't even engage. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm being serious. Like the rhetorical framing is so off from my perspective, it would take an essay to unpack...

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    6. Matthew Hankins‏ @mc_hankins 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      Sorry, I was conscious of this even as I was typing 'exploratory', 'confirmatory' etc. - it's buying into an already-skewed narrative.

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    7. Matthew Hankins‏ @mc_hankins 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mc_hankins @o_guest and

      But what problem is this narrative constructed to solve? I mean for a clinical trial you have protocol, CRF, SAP, audit trial etc. and it's clear what problems that solves and why it's appropriate

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    8. Matthew Hankins‏ @mc_hankins 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mc_hankins @o_guest and

      But how are the problems for other analysis settings characterised, and what has been proposed to solve them? So social psychology has set about cleaning house, but that's a very specific set of conditions

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mc_hankins @bradpwyble and

      Exactly. There are two two things to bear in mind that are often left out: 1) all houses (=fields) get dirty — entropy increases; 2) no reason to assume modelling's house is THAT dirty — it's clean (given a realistic definition of clean). For 2) that doesn't mean: stop cleaning.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @mc_hankins and

      For 2) also that doesn't mean we're perfect. Nobody is perfect. But we're actually pretty good, we do replications (in all senses, including re-implementations) as a matter of course.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @mc_hankins and

      This is not to pat us on the back too much, but if dirt is defined in the way social defines dirt, then we're on the right track already. We have — no surprises — OTHER issues.

      7:46 AM - 23 Nov 2018
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        2. Matthew Hankins‏ @mc_hankins 23 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          So, just out of politeness, at the very least the conversation should be “What’s SOP for your field, and why?” before bringing the Dyson to the front door

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @mc_hankins @bradpwyble and

          I mean notice nobody talks about a file drawer or a publication bias for models... because it's a DIFFERENT kind of work. 😭😂 *deep breaths*

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