I'm sorry for being gone through this, but you did a better job of handling that than I would have. I've debated with Ben before and I absolutely get the sense that he would prefer to see all work as pre-registration even though I can't quote the tweet. And I predicted a muting.
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I think that implication may not really be the intention, but the side effect of how some areas of psychology have been trying to clean up their problems. It is good that problems are addressed. Threat I see for (psych) science is the overextension of the proposed "solutions".
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I ask myself why response to Shiffrin & Van Zandt was so strong. Why would e.g. social, dev, evo psychology object to views coming from mathematical psychology & cognitive science. Why not listen with interest to learn *why* these fields may have different view on things?
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I just listened to Rich's talk on Youtube (from a conference on replicability, I presume it's the same talk although I wasn't at psychonomics), and I found it to be very nuanced and well reasoned. It wasn't "prereg is useless", but that it will be harmful to make it mandatory
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Which fit very well with some of my posts on the subject, i.e. "let's think about how and under what conditions it is a useful thing to do" and not "ugh, it's not science if not done this way"
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To be honest with you I'm a bit sick of "psychology has a replication crisis". Social has deep issues, for example, but I have no idea why they think the crisis applies to modelling in the same way. That is not to say replications are all perfect in modelling though either.
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All these blanket statements about the field which assume modelling is either identical to other subfields or non-existent have reached a point now where it's become the norm. It's just not what the field is like.
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I have been working on replications in modelling from 2008. These people have no idea what is up and how to address it for our subfield.
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