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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Honestly? No idea.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      Find all these words "camps" (not you others) "civil war" etc., off-putting. I think the rhetoric is nasty on this level too, but I do not blame people for using war-related terminology. I just think it's not actually useful and might even make it less likely to reach a solution.

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    3. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      I'm sorry for being gone through this, but you did a better job of handling that than I would have. I've debated with Ben before and I absolutely get the sense that he would prefer to see all work as pre-registration even though I can't quote the tweet. And I predicted a muting.

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    4. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @o_guest and

      I think it's fair to say that when someone says e.g. "Pre-reg doesn't prevent exploration" they are essentially supporting universal pre-reg (otherwise why say it?). And yet there is no specific tweet one can point to.

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    5. Vishnu Sreekumar‏ @vishnusreekr 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @o_guest and

      It’s a bit amusing to me that people who study “are good looking women less susceptible to illnesses?” take it upon themselves to dictate how the field must do science.

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    6. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @vishnusreekr @o_guest and

      I understand the point you're making but I don't think it's helpful to be disparaging here as it encourages people to dig even deeper trenches.

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    7. Vishnu Sreekumar‏ @vishnusreekr 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @o_guest and

      All it means is that they don’t quite appreciate how other sub fields work.

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    8. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @vishnusreekr @bradpwyble and

      Well that’s a constructive contribution, isn’t it? That study was a challenge to an influential theory in the field and was led by a masters student. Hope you are proud of yourself.

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    9. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @Ben_C_J @vishnusreekr and

      It was not constructive indeed but I guess it reflects very well the frustration generated among the community. It also shows that judging other people's work from a position of ignorance is not advisable. We all should understand the latter.

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    10. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @Ben_C_J and

      Well said

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @twitemp1 and

      The thing is I'm not sure what they are doing is just/exactly judging. It's more just assuming our subfield works like theirs in terms of literally how to do science.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          From there, they then take an additional police style approach. Resulting in telling people who do science a very different way to essentially stop.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          It's really baffling. Nothing like "I don't like modelling". More like "I'm going to halt all these forms of modelling and not listen to you because my subfield has a problem..."

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        4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          I think that implication may not really be the intention, but the side effect of how some areas of psychology have been trying to clean up their problems. It is good that problems are addressed. Threat I see for (psych) science is the overextension of the proposed "solutions".

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        5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          I ask myself why response to Shiffrin & Van Zandt was so strong. Why would e.g. social, dev, evo psychology object to views coming from mathematical psychology & cognitive science. Why not listen with interest to learn *why* these fields may have different view on things?

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        6. Ven Popov‏ @venpopov 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          I just listened to Rich's talk on Youtube (from a conference on replicability, I presume it's the same talk although I wasn't at psychonomics), and I found it to be very nuanced and well reasoned. It wasn't "prereg is useless", but that it will be harmful to make it mandatory

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        7. Ven Popov‏ @venpopov 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @venpopov @IrisVanRooij and

          Which fit very well with some of my posts on the subject, i.e. "let's think about how and under what conditions it is a useful thing to do" and not "ugh, it's not science if not done this way"

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @venpopov @IrisVanRooij and

          To be honest with you I'm a bit sick of "psychology has a replication crisis". Social has deep issues, for example, but I have no idea why they think the crisis applies to modelling in the same way. That is not to say replications are all perfect in modelling though either.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @venpopov and

          All these blanket statements about the field which assume modelling is either identical to other subfields or non-existent have reached a point now where it's become the norm. It's just not what the field is like.

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        2. Vishnu Sreekumar‏ @vishnusreekr 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          Yes this is exactly what I was referring to when I said this was not merely about not understanding the other subfield but was rather reflective of a more fundamental difference in how we approach problems.

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        3. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @vishnusreekr @o_guest and

          Agreed but the problem arises in my opinion when these fundamental differences in our understanding on how science works are ignored and value judgements are made.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @vishnusreekr and

          The irony is I think they value our field because they perceive it as prestigious. 😂

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