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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      I mean I'm muted, but even though I do not think Ben and those who agree with him want confirmatory research to be the only thing that is published in journals... I totally see why he thinks we do think that: Because some literally have said that! 😂https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691612463078 …

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      This is very twisted rhetoric. Modelling doesn't work if we apply rules from empirical research.

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      I had the same sense: too little building of common ground. Engaging with the modeling community on questions of open science takes a different mindset and awareness of the intrinsic limitations of practices built on empiricist concerns only.

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    4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

      And even when it will happen, as I expect it now certainly will after last few days of twitter discussions about Shiffrin’s and Van Zandt’s talks, I preregister the prediction that the adjusted narrative will just be slightly less oversimplified.

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @twitemp1 and

      100% with you. This BS in this thread and elsewhere is their attempt at rewriting history.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      I am genuinely open to listening to them. I wish their would empirisplain (LOL) all their ideologies to me, instead of assuming I think they are all for confirmatory blah blah. It's just the BS about me arguing in bad faith, it's just too ridiculous.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      Ben has no clue what I am thinking and thinks I am somehow aware and follow all their little "the field must do this" backchannel BS. I don't, I just see that they all make pronouncements about the field ostensibly that are WAY oversimplified AND utterly wrong for modelling work.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      At the end of the day, if they want to leave many/all cog modellers "behind" and we can just be let alone to do modelling work that is OK with me. I have been doing modelling replications ALL my scientific career. I know what state my (sub*)field is in. *Kleene star

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    9. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      It seems to me that some people have taken control of a movement that in principle could have been good for science, twisting it to their liking without giving to it much thought (best case scenario) and/or with an specific power agenda. >>

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    10. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

      The only way I can think of to counteract their lobbying is to build another position of strength, which will most probably lead to a "civil war". Alternatively, we can try to ignore it and hope that eventually ppl understand that each branch or research has its own idiosyncrasy.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij and

      Honestly? No idea.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          Find all these words "camps" (not you others) "civil war" etc., off-putting. I think the rhetoric is nasty on this level too, but I do not blame people for using war-related terminology. I just think it's not actually useful and might even make it less likely to reach a solution.

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        3. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          I'm sorry for being gone through this, but you did a better job of handling that than I would have. I've debated with Ben before and I absolutely get the sense that he would prefer to see all work as pre-registration even though I can't quote the tweet. And I predicted a muting.

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        4. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @bradpwyble @o_guest and

          I think it's fair to say that when someone says e.g. "Pre-reg doesn't prevent exploration" they are essentially supporting universal pre-reg (otherwise why say it?). And yet there is no specific tweet one can point to.

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        5. Kymberly Louise‏ @kymberlylouise_ 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @bradpwyble @zerdeve and

          OK, I'll out myself. I've meant that when I've said that. I'm a grad student in social psych so I think pre reg is the bees knees. Can someone ELI5 why/when pre reg is not useful, when it does allow for exploratory research?

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        6. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @kymberlylouise_ @bradpwyble and

          I would recommend that you go thru @djnavarro’s and @IrisVanRooij’s recent threads, and also browse thru @o_guest’s and @JCSkewesDK’s TL’s. Many answers to your q have already been provided. You won’t find answers wrt social psych but def on many types of exploratory research.

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        7. Kymberly Louise‏ @kymberlylouise_ 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @zerdeve @bradpwyble and

          Thanks, I've been following them all but still don't really get it, probably because I only have the fuzziest understanding of what modelling is. I'll keep trying ☺

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @kymberlylouise_ @zerdeve and

          That's understandable. Thanks for being so open and clear.

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        9. Kymberly Louise‏ @kymberlylouise_ 22 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

          Thanks! I've learnt so much from twitter that I just wouldn't be exposed to in my small university, I'm grateful to everyone that talks about these issues or I'd still be p hacking having no idea....

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        2. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          I thought it was obvious that my position was ignoring them (easier for me giving my age), but just in case, I shall reiterate it: pay no attention

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        3. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

          I see the point, but there is a chance that, left ignored, they would convince funders to institute harsh and counter-productive rules. It nearly happened with the NIH and an expansive letter writing campaign in the US (largely by more senior academics) averted disaster.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @bradpwyble @twitemp1 and

          Yeah, these people genuinely want to play science dictator based on the fact they can't control their subfield.

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