I think the reason you think we think you are demanding all work to be confirmatory is because some of you have authored pubs on exactly that. I don't think you all want confirmatory research, but I realise what you and others are doing...
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over matters that lack substance, serving as a perfect excuse for petty skirmishes and for bullying other scientists.
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If the open science movement wishes to convince the community, beyond exerting its lobbying, which it certainly has, then intimidation attitudes should be controlled from within.
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I mean I'm muted, but even though I do not think Ben and those who agree with him want confirmatory research to be the only thing that is published in journals... I totally see why he thinks we do think that: Because some literally have said that!
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This is very twisted rhetoric. Modelling doesn't work if we apply rules from empirical research.
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I had the same sense: too little building of common ground. Engaging with the modeling community on questions of open science takes a different mindset and awareness of the intrinsic limitations of practices built on empiricist concerns only.
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Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and
And even when it will happen, as I expect it now certainly will after last few days of twitter discussions about Shiffrin’s and Van Zandt’s talks, I preregister the prediction that the adjusted narrative will just be slightly less oversimplified.
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Replying to @IrisVanRooij @twitemp1 and
100% with you. This BS in this thread and elsewhere is their attempt at rewriting history.
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I’m anticipating that the new narrative may be not easier but even harder to have constructive conversation with, because then people will say ‘oh but we also mean modelling, theory etc’ but not realizing or acknowledging how narrow the view still is.
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Their attempts are painful. You see them outside your house: "I know where the rooms are in my house so I will bulldoze to make it like mine" "You can't bulldoze it without ruining it" "I never said that but I will change everything, all the rooms" "That's the same?" "No"
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I wonder why they care though if we split off. Splitting off seems like a natural outcome (even if sad) given all this... I wonder if it's because we have some implicit cache/prestige they are worried they might lose as a field. The ML/compsci angle... the programming...
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Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Guillaume Rousselet
Somebody [I'm muted] might wanna send this to Ben!https://twitter.com/robustgar/status/1031115054572285952 …
Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,
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