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    1. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @Ben_C_J @o_guest and

      I’m glad you’re amused, but I’m not going to publicly speculate about why you are still arguing this point when it’s been clarified repeatedly. Going to stick you on mute, I’m afraid, because you are clearly not interested in having a productive discussion.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @Ben_C_J @bradpwyble and

      I was expecting a block or mute, should have preregistered it. In my opinion the misunderstandings are not based on those words you isolated. It’s based on the fact you all have no clue about our modeling work and have no understanding even though we are in the same field as you.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Ben_C_J and

      I think the reason you think we think you are demanding all work to be confirmatory is because some of you have authored pubs on exactly that. I don't think you all want confirmatory research, but I realise what you and others are doing...

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    4. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Ben_C_J and

      I’ve been avoiding entering into these onerous discussions, but this is going too far. Contrarily to @Ben_C_J , I think @o_guest 's comments are quite helpful to expose a rhetoric that does exist and is used to empower individuals with pontifical arguments >>

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    5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

      over matters that lack substance, serving as a perfect excuse for petty skirmishes and for bullying other scientists.

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    6. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

      If the open science movement wishes to convince the community, beyond exerting its lobbying, which it certainly has, then intimidation attitudes should be controlled from within.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @Ben_C_J and

      I mean I'm muted, but even though I do not think Ben and those who agree with him want confirmatory research to be the only thing that is published in journals... I totally see why he thinks we do think that: Because some literally have said that! 😂https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691612463078 …

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      This is very twisted rhetoric. Modelling doesn't work if we apply rules from empirical research.

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    9. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      I had the same sense: too little building of common ground. Engaging with the modeling community on questions of open science takes a different mindset and awareness of the intrinsic limitations of practices built on empiricist concerns only.

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    10. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

      And even when it will happen, as I expect it now certainly will after last few days of twitter discussions about Shiffrin’s and Van Zandt’s talks, I preregister the prediction that the adjusted narrative will just be slightly less oversimplified.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @twitemp1 and

      100% with you. This BS in this thread and elsewhere is their attempt at rewriting history.

      2:37 AM - 21 Nov 2018
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          I am genuinely open to listening to them. I wish their would empirisplain (LOL) all their ideologies to me, instead of assuming I think they are all for confirmatory blah blah. It's just the BS about me arguing in bad faith, it's just too ridiculous.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          Ben has no clue what I am thinking and thinks I am somehow aware and follow all their little "the field must do this" backchannel BS. I don't, I just see that they all make pronouncements about the field ostensibly that are WAY oversimplified AND utterly wrong for modelling work.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          At the end of the day, if they want to leave many/all cog modellers "behind" and we can just be let alone to do modelling work that is OK with me. I have been doing modelling replications ALL my scientific career. I know what state my (sub*)field is in. *Kleene star

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        5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          It seems to me that some people have taken control of a movement that in principle could have been good for science, twisting it to their liking without giving to it much thought (best case scenario) and/or with an specific power agenda. >>

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        6. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

          The only way I can think of to counteract their lobbying is to build another position of strength, which will most probably lead to a "civil war". Alternatively, we can try to ignore it and hope that eventually ppl understand that each branch or research has its own idiosyncrasy.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij and

          Honestly? No idea.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          Find all these words "camps" (not you others) "civil war" etc., off-putting. I think the rhetoric is nasty on this level too, but I do not blame people for using war-related terminology. I just think it's not actually useful and might even make it less likely to reach a solution.

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        9. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          I'm sorry for being gone through this, but you did a better job of handling that than I would have. I've debated with Ben before and I absolutely get the sense that he would prefer to see all work as pre-registration even though I can't quote the tweet. And I predicted a muting.

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        2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          I’m anticipating that the new narrative may be not easier but even harder to have constructive conversation with, because then people will say ‘oh but we also mean modelling, theory etc’ but not realizing or acknowledging how narrow the view still is.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @twitemp1 and

          Their attempts are painful. You see them outside your house: "I know where the rooms are in my house so I will bulldoze to make it like mine" "You can't bulldoze it without ruining it" "I never said that but I will change everything, all the rooms" "That's the same?" "No"

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          I wonder why they care though if we split off. Splitting off seems like a natural outcome (even if sad) given all this... I wonder if it's because we have some implicit cache/prestige they are worried they might lose as a field. The ML/compsci angle... the programming...

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Guillaume Rousselet

          Somebody [I'm muted] might wanna send this to Ben!https://twitter.com/robustgar/status/1031115054572285952 …

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

          Guillaume Rousselet @robustgar
          Replying to @atypical_me @rikhens @mbeisen
          Sure, they are potential exceptions. If it were up to me, any paper without pre-registration, data and code would be branded "exploratory opinion piece", no exception.
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