I’m glad you’re amused, but I’m not going to publicly speculate about why you are still arguing this point when it’s been clarified repeatedly. Going to stick you on mute, I’m afraid, because you are clearly not interested in having a productive discussion.
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I am genuinely open to listening to them. I wish their would empirisplain (LOL) all their ideologies to me, instead of assuming I think they are all for confirmatory blah blah. It's just the BS about me arguing in bad faith, it's just too ridiculous.
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Ben has no clue what I am thinking and thinks I am somehow aware and follow all their little "the field must do this" backchannel BS. I don't, I just see that they all make pronouncements about the field ostensibly that are WAY oversimplified AND utterly wrong for modelling work.
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At the end of the day, if they want to leave many/all cog modellers "behind" and we can just be let alone to do modelling work that is OK with me. I have been doing modelling replications ALL my scientific career. I know what state my (sub*)field is in. *Kleene star
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It seems to me that some people have taken control of a movement that in principle could have been good for science, twisting it to their liking without giving to it much thought (best case scenario) and/or with an specific power agenda. >>
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The only way I can think of to counteract their lobbying is to build another position of strength, which will most probably lead to a "civil war". Alternatively, we can try to ignore it and hope that eventually ppl understand that each branch or research has its own idiosyncrasy.
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Honestly? No idea.
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Find all these words "camps" (not you others) "civil war" etc., off-putting. I think the rhetoric is nasty on this level too, but I do not blame people for using war-related terminology. I just think it's not actually useful and might even make it less likely to reach a solution.
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I'm sorry for being gone through this, but you did a better job of handling that than I would have. I've debated with Ben before and I absolutely get the sense that he would prefer to see all work as pre-registration even though I can't quote the tweet. And I predicted a muting.
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I’m anticipating that the new narrative may be not easier but even harder to have constructive conversation with, because then people will say ‘oh but we also mean modelling, theory etc’ but not realizing or acknowledging how narrow the view still is.
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Their attempts are painful. You see them outside your house: "I know where the rooms are in my house so I will bulldoze to make it like mine" "You can't bulldoze it without ruining it" "I never said that but I will change everything, all the rooms" "That's the same?" "No"
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I wonder why they care though if we split off. Splitting off seems like a natural outcome (even if sad) given all this... I wonder if it's because we have some implicit cache/prestige they are worried they might lose as a field. The ML/compsci angle... the programming...
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Somebody [I'm muted] might wanna send this to Ben!https://twitter.com/robustgar/status/1031115054572285952 …
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