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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Nov 2018
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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Steve Luck

    While applied stuff is great, and I love this thread, sometimes it's also good to feel comfortable to admit that basic science is "just" basic science. Some science might never have a practical use. And that's fine. We've decided as a society to fund basic research in of itself.https://twitter.com/stevenjluck/status/1063816214387015680 …

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    Steve Luck @stevenjluck
    I’m not trying to suggest that everyone in our field needs to have a line of applied research (although I wish a few more of us did). But it would be good if everyone was ready to give a little elevator pitch about why our research is valuable to the people who pay for it. 5/n
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      2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Nov 2018
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        I don't want to feel like I have to exaggerate about applied or translational aspects of, e.g., categorisation modelling. They exist, don't get me wrong, but my point is they don't HAVE to.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Nov 2018
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        I don't want anybody to think that if we can't (yet/ever) have a practical use for something that it's a priori not worth doing. I say this in part because I've seen these arguments sometimes, especially used against academia more broadly (like against arts and humanities).

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      4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Nov 2018
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        The crux here is that each person, especially as a function of political ideology, has a different metric to answer "is this research useful outside academia?" Many would love to kill off basic research and, e.g., just do engineering. Basic research has value in its own right.

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      2. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 19 Nov 2018
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        Replying to @o_guest

        This is all true, but I wonder if we should expect a disengaged person to understand that, especially in a brief conversation on an elevator. You have to pick your battles.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 19 Nov 2018
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        Replying to @bradpwyble

        Not the point of this thread though.

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      4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 19 Nov 2018
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        Unless you only read my first tweet?

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      5. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 19 Nov 2018
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        Replying to @o_guest

        I had read the thread, and it was well said. I may have misinterpreted though.

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      6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 19 Nov 2018
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        Replying to @bradpwyble

        Basically I really agree with what the author of the original thread said hence why I said "I love this thread" but I used it as a jumping off point because they only highlighted a deep issue.

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 19 Nov 2018
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        *only = also

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      8. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 19 Nov 2018
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        Yep, I completely agree that we should feel comfortable with basic science and it slightly grates on me that we should have to do the applied science dance as a rule.

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      9. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 19 Nov 2018
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        But that said, I also get why the public demands the applied angle.

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      2. Jim Grange‏ @JimGrange 18 Nov 2018
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        "If we only did applied research, we would still be making just better spears." I wrote a blog on this a while ago out of frustration of having a grant turned down with no impact in it.https://jimgrange.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/grant-givers-embrace-and-fund-research-without-impact/ …

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Nov 2018
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        Replying to @JimGrange

        I always say: "the impact of basic research is understanding the world." 😏

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      4. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter 18 Nov 2018
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        That's just not good enough. It doesn't necessarily fight climate change and support diversity, for instance.

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Nov 2018
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        Replying to @JPdeRuiter @JimGrange

        Not sure that's a specific "impact" nor unique to basic science.

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      2. Steve Luck‏ @stevenjluck 18 Nov 2018
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        I agree 100%! To seek knowledge is to be human.

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      3. Steve Luck‏ @stevenjluck 18 Nov 2018
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        It’s also important to note that most applications of basic science are things that were not the goal when the science was done. Psychologists in the 1980s had no idea that their research would pave the way for Siri and Alexa.

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      4. Dr. Kate Shaw MA., MS., PsyD.‏ @katelovesneuro 18 Nov 2018
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        The heart of science lives in the domain of serendipity That in itself is pretty astounding

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Nov 2018
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        Replying to @katelovesneuro @stevenjluck

        It's sad people want to change that.

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      2. Alon Zivony, PhD‏ @AlonZivony 19 Nov 2018
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        There's one example that I love: scientists studied the skin of a worm, and their discoveries affected the design of a new space suit. Applications are not always straightforward. (also I told this story so many times I'm no longer sure if it's true, but it gets the point across)

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 19 Nov 2018
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        No way they could have known that a priori, of course.

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      4. Alon Zivony, PhD‏ @AlonZivony 19 Nov 2018
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        Absolutely. We often can't know what implications our basic science will bring. Also, applicative science is always better when it's based on solid theoretical understanding.

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