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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Nov 2018
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      Also not just to cover their ass but also to demand a better standard of treatment from others towards them. So they behave badly but then demand kindness. Kindness is great but tolerance for intolerance is basically what they ask for. Twisting rhetoric to their selfish needs.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Nov 2018
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      This why "nice" and even "kind" are really bad words. Weasel words. Everybody superficially agrees we should be nice and kind and yet they are useless concepts without further strict definition.

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 10 Nov 2018
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      I read ‘kind’ as very different from ‘nice’.

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    4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 10 Nov 2018
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      Eg speaking painful truth can be a kind thing to do, even if it is not being nice. Nice had much less sincere connotation for me. Same with ‘polite’, or ‘civil’.

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 10 Nov 2018
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      As for Dennett’s piece, I think indeed ‘kindness’ may be the wrong word there. Better ‘charity’ in argumentation. Never experienced Dennet’s arguments as especially kind.

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    6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 10 Nov 2018
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      https://twitter.com/irisvanrooij/status/1043905174568390656?s=21 …

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      Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
      I don’t think we need calls for ‘politeness’. Lots of ill faith can be hidden in politeness, making it only harder to call out. Instead we need more genuine kindness, compassion, humanity, respect, integrity & inclusivity in science. https://twitter.com/richarddmorey/status/1043857168062185472 …
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @AliciaForsberg
      IMHO, kindness is not a mere tactic or communication strategy, but heartfelt.
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    8. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 10 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

      But yes agreed @o_guest these words (including kindness) can be twisted to actually hide ill-intent and even abuse.

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    9. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 10 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

      But to clarify: I do still agree with the OP. The path on which this thread developed could in turn be twisted to be against Tom’s stance. I think that would be unfortunate.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Nov 2018
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      I'm with Tom 100%. But I think, like @ContraPoints says, we live in an age of aesthetics and rhetoric sadly goes a much longer way than logic. 😢

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      To be fair to me, I said useless without further definition not useless full stop. 😅

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        1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 10 Nov 2018
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          Ah, sorry -- I totally understood where you were coming from. Sadly, like you see people twisting words like 'kindness', I also see them twisting the idea of 'needs further definition' as meaning: 'I can keep being very unkind because there is no further definition'.

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