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    1. Gunnar Blohm‏ @GunnarBlohm 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @IrisVanRooij and

      HARking occurs during model building. E.g. people change their hypotheses about model mechanisms and do incremental adjustments until they're happy with the model fit to the data.

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    2. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @GunnarBlohm @IrisVanRooij and

      That's just model building. All models are built based on data. How else would you do it?

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    3. Grace Lindsay‏ @neurograce 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @GunnarBlohm and

      I think this is any interesting question. I agree iterating on models is part of the process, but valuable info is lost if those iterations aren't reported in the paper and only the final product is

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    4. Ven Popov‏ @venpopov 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @neurograce @bradpwyble and

      Yes - so a final report that includes information about failed iterations would achieve the same purpose as a pre-reg in this case, if @GunnaerBlohm's goal is to prevent HARking?

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    5. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @venpopov @neurograce and

      But you don't need to test the predictions in the paper that published the model initially. Save that for later.

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    6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @venpopov and

      I agree with this position, but generally I have found it hard to get models published without empirical tests. It seems that reviewers tend to underestimate the scientific contribution of coming up with a model that generates/explains key phenomena in the first place.

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    7. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @bradpwyble and

      Couldn't agree more. I have never been able to publish a model without accompanying new empirical data and it is a major barrier to theoretical work.

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    8. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @tom_hartley @IrisVanRooij and

      ... actually this is an exaggeration. One paper was pure modelling, but we were initially asked us to run experiments.

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    9. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @tom_hartley @bradpwyble and

      Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

      I believe this requirement that a new model should always be *directly* testable in experiments prevents us from exploring the full range of models/mechanisms. For some non-trivial theory it may take a long time to think up a way to (critically) test it:https://twitter.com/IrisVanRooij/status/1049617343767302150 …

      Iris van Rooij added,

      Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
      Distinction between 'a theory being testable in principle" versus "being able to think of a *concrete* experiment to test the theory' is important, because too often if exp psychologists can't think of an experiment right away they think the theory is at fault. (cc @annemscheel) https://twitter.com/maxcoltheart/status/1049607054162182144 …
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    10. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @bradpwyble and

      There's a surplus of unexplained data, if we can explain some of it, while accommodating existing phenomena, the model's ready to publish IMO.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @tom_hartley @IrisVanRooij and

      My lab basically does that. Nobody has collected any data in 2 years.

      11:46 AM - 25 Oct 2018
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