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    1. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @GunnarBlohm @IrisVanRooij and

      But publishing is essentially a form of pre-registration. Once published, it's a permanent record of the model's particular instantiation. No HARKing possible.

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    2. Gunnar Blohm‏ @GunnarBlohm 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @IrisVanRooij and

      HARking occurs during model building. E.g. people change their hypotheses about model mechanisms and do incremental adjustments until they're happy with the model fit to the data.

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    3. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @GunnarBlohm @IrisVanRooij and

      That's just model building. All models are built based on data. How else would you do it?

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    4. Grace Lindsay‏ @neurograce 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @GunnarBlohm and

      I think this is any interesting question. I agree iterating on models is part of the process, but valuable info is lost if those iterations aren't reported in the paper and only the final product is

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    5. Ven Popov‏ @venpopov 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @neurograce @bradpwyble and

      Yes - so a final report that includes information about failed iterations would achieve the same purpose as a pre-reg in this case, if @GunnaerBlohm's goal is to prevent HARking?

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    6. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @venpopov @neurograce and

      But you don't need to test the predictions in the paper that published the model initially. Save that for later.

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    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @venpopov and

      I agree with this position, but generally I have found it hard to get models published without empirical tests. It seems that reviewers tend to underestimate the scientific contribution of coming up with a model that generates/explains key phenomena in the first place.

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    8. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @bradpwyble and

      Couldn't agree more. I have never been able to publish a model without accompanying new empirical data and it is a major barrier to theoretical work.

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    9. Gunnar Blohm‏ @GunnarBlohm 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @tom_hartley @IrisVanRooij and

      I've published models without new data. But they were well interfaced with existing data!

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    10. Grace Lindsay‏ @neurograce 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @GunnarBlohm @tom_hartley and

      In this paper (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28986463/ …), eg, we tried 2 different learning options. When one fit the data better than the other I initially thought to only report the one. But including both helped flesh out the story (& it didnt even need new data!)

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @neurograce @GunnarBlohm and

      I published a paper without data and with a model. Very lucky to have had of course.http://dx.doi.org/10.7554/eLife.21397 …

      11:23 AM - 25 Oct 2018
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        2. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 25 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @neurograce and

          We now have 2 published papers of this form and the reviewers were surprisingly accepting, even though the journals were empirical. Many other examples exist from back in the day, e.g.http://www.jneurosci.org/content/13/11/4700 …

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        3. Ven Popov‏ @venpopov 25 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @bradpwyble @o_guest and

          Hopefully publishing models without new data becomes widely acceptible in psych. Einstein didn't test relativity, other people ran those experiments later *because* relativity was already published

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