My main worry is that some of these exchanges are putting off people from OS. Not just because of bad actors but because of suggestions that the wider OS community is hostile because of this or a perceived acceptance of hostility. As you said before lots of nuance lost on twitter
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Replying to @Sam_D_Parsons @cruwelli and
That's not what I get in my DMs. People see the bullies and ask me what the fuck.
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Replying to @o_guest @Sam_D_Parsons and
It seems to be the nature of twitter (and FB), the way it's designed, that inflammatory posts (including bullying) get more attention than other stuff. So we need better social media platforms.
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Replying to @ceptional @o_guest and
Uh, we also need to call out the bullying, right? Now it sounds as if we merely need to shift the attention away from it, in the service of OS image we turn a blind eye?
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Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and
No, I wasnt' saying that. I do think it should be called out. Just that occasional twitter users get the wrong impression of bullying being more representative, due to the algorithms.
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Replying to @ceptional @o_guest and
I think the opposite is the case here. It seems that many users do *not* see the bullying or harassment happening, and individuals suffer. And even in this thread it was questioned that it was really happening.
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Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and
Ah ok, interesting point. Still, on average (as reflected in the Chronicle article), seems that both social media and click-driven journalism over-emphasises the bullying, but I could be wrong.
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Replying to @ceptional @IrisVanRooij and
I think that the problem of online bullying is actually one of the *main* problems in
#openscience. Fear of public shaming prevents people from open discussions of preprints, etc. I have been bullied myself, and observe cases of online bullying of respected academics about weekly1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @generegulation @ceptional and
My concern is bullying punching down. Bullying punching up is more of a gray area as to if it or is not actually bullying. I don't want to muddy the waters with a discussion on the nature of bullying but IMHO it is not the main issue. Lack of inclusivity and diversity are.
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Replying to @o_guest @generegulation and
Anything that might be considered bullying punching up needs to be pretty harsh to be called bullying imho. If our threshold for bullying punching up is too low, then shouting "bullies!" is just reinforcing the status quo.
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I mean very very very roughly, yes. But I would rather look at things on a case-by-case basis as one would with bullying generally in a workplace, school, etc. Don't forget that biases outside the academic hierarchy like gender, race, social class, etc., can be involved here too.
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