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    1. Sam Parsons‏ @Sam_D_Parsons 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @cruwelli and

      My main worry is that some of these exchanges are putting off people from OS. Not just because of bad actors but because of suggestions that the wider OS community is hostile because of this or a perceived acceptance of hostility. As you said before lots of nuance lost on twitter

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @Sam_D_Parsons @cruwelli and

      That's not what I get in my DMs. People see the bullies and ask me what the fuck.

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    3. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Sam_D_Parsons and

      It seems to be the nature of twitter (and FB), the way it's designed, that inflammatory posts (including bullying) get more attention than other stuff. So we need better social media platforms.

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    4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @ceptional @o_guest and

      Uh, we also need to call out the bullying, right? Now it sounds as if we merely need to shift the attention away from it, in the service of OS image we turn a blind eye?

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    5. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

      No, I wasnt' saying that. I do think it should be called out. Just that occasional twitter users get the wrong impression of bullying being more representative, due to the algorithms.

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    6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @ceptional @o_guest and

      I think the opposite is the case here. It seems that many users do *not* see the bullying or harassment happening, and individuals suffer. And even in this thread it was questioned that it was really happening.

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    7. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

      Ah ok, interesting point. Still, on average (as reflected in the Chronicle article), seems that both social media and click-driven journalism over-emphasises the bullying, but I could be wrong.

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    8. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @ceptional @IrisVanRooij and

      It’s not a matter of how representative bullies are of a community. It is a matter of them having disproportionate influence in a community, especially on those with less power. So it always makes sense to stand up as strongly as possible against bullying whenever and wherever

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    9. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 20 Oct 2018
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      it exists. This type of behavior thrives when ignored. It needs to be marginalized explicitly and forcefully. So it makes a lot of sense to highlight and condemn individual examples. It’s less important or relevant whether they’re representative.

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    10. Sophia Crüwell‏ @cruwelli 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @zerdeve @ceptional and

      Yes, but they need to be called out individually for this to work, otherwise this will drive people away (a la “why would I get involved with something that’s so full of bros”) *and* individual bad actors are unbothered.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @cruwelli @zerdeve and

      Individual call outs are fine, useful. But e.g., crime, bullying in schools,, continues even though we lock individuals up or educate individual bullies. That's because these are systemic issues and need multilevel approaches for ongoing solutions.

      4:31 PM - 20 Oct 2018
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        2. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @cruwelli and

          There's one who's bullied me in the sense of making unreasonable and blanket criticisms that my and colleagues' work is worthless. BUT, she actually is the only one I've seen who also habitually questions fundamental assumptions that need more examining. So, I want to stop her

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        3. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @ceptional @o_guest and

          bullying but want the solution to be careful not to get rid of her (even though she is rather toxic) which I theorize (based on a lay and possibly wrong theory of personality) also leads her to be the only one who questions certain cherished assumptions.

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        4. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @ceptional @o_guest and

          Perhaps if she’s out of the way, others will feel more comfortable raising the same points. Critical thinking is not exclusively bestowed to bullies, luckily. They do, however, benefit from others thinking so. I think if she’s toxic, she’s got to go. That’s where I’d stand.

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        5. Sophia Crüwell‏ @cruwelli 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @zerdeve @ceptional and

          I don’t know, I have never dared criticise research on twitter because I’ve seen how easily criticisms of the science are seen as criticisms of the scientist (of course not talking about cases where people are clearly acting in bad faith). It’s a weird medium!

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        6. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @cruwelli @zerdeve and

          In a culture that doesn't seem to highly value criticism (psychology being one such culture, at least in previous years), maybe the bullies are the ones that disproportionately make criticisms and thus only by making the culture more welcoming of criticism can we eliminate

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        7. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @ceptional @cruwelli and

          bullying without collateral damage to healthy criticism? (I'm not condoning bullying or suggesting it shouldn't be called out.)

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