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    1. Nora Newcombe‏ @NoraNewcombe 20 Oct 2018
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      I do think so, but honestly, the implicit identification with a community that includes and tolerates bullies bothers me a lot.

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    2. Sophia Crüwell‏ @cruwelli 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @djnavarro @o_guest and

      How is it a community that tolerates online bullying? People are called out for any bad behaviour, and at least one (that I know of) has been removed from things because of their rude and inappropriate behaviour.

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    3. Sam Parsons‏ @Sam_D_Parsons 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @cruwelli @djnavarro and

      I'd also add that many of the things being worked on by this community are implicitly or explicitly intended to promote equality and diversity, to protect vulnerable ECRs, and so on. This goes far beyond the institutionised norms that implicitly tolerates harassment

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @Sam_D_Parsons @cruwelli and

      That's really nice to hear. I had huge push back when I tried to emphasise the importance of that a few months ago and before that for a couple years. Lovely to hear things have moved on.

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    5. Sam Parsons‏ @Sam_D_Parsons 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @cruwelli and

      @improvingpsych 2018 also began with specific mentions to the code of conduct explicitly discussing harassment. To me, this is unheard of at a meeting and something unobserved even across some institutions where harassment may be less public, but just as or possibly more harmful

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @Sam_D_Parsons @cruwelli and

      SIPS is not the same as #openscience. I now see where the confusion stems from...

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    7. Sophia Crüwell‏ @cruwelli 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Sam_D_Parsons and

      So I think Sam is equating the two here as people keep doing that – see the outrage at that (bad) chronicle article, or one of the replies to the original tweet of this thread. If people don’t see them as the same(ish), they should just join SIPS as a movement and leave OS be

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @cruwelli @Sam_D_Parsons and

      I like openscience it's a beautiful movement. This is why I want it to be healthy.

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    9. Sam Parsons‏ @Sam_D_Parsons 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @cruwelli and

      My main worry is that some of these exchanges are putting off people from OS. Not just because of bad actors but because of suggestions that the wider OS community is hostile because of this or a perceived acceptance of hostility. As you said before lots of nuance lost on twitter

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @Sam_D_Parsons @cruwelli and

      That's not what I get in my DMs. People see the bullies and ask me what the fuck.

      3:58 PM - 20 Oct 2018
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        2. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Sam_D_Parsons and

          It seems to be the nature of twitter (and FB), the way it's designed, that inflammatory posts (including bullying) get more attention than other stuff. So we need better social media platforms.

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        3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @ceptional @o_guest and

          Uh, we also need to call out the bullying, right? Now it sounds as if we merely need to shift the attention away from it, in the service of OS image we turn a blind eye?

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        4. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          No, I wasnt' saying that. I do think it should be called out. Just that occasional twitter users get the wrong impression of bullying being more representative, due to the algorithms.

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        5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @ceptional @o_guest and

          I think the opposite is the case here. It seems that many users do *not* see the bullying or harassment happening, and individuals suffer. And even in this thread it was questioned that it was really happening.

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        6. Alex Holcombe‏ @ceptional 20 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          Ah ok, interesting point. Still, on average (as reflected in the Chronicle article), seems that both social media and click-driven journalism over-emphasises the bullying, but I could be wrong.

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        7. Gene Regulation‏ @generegulation 21 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @ceptional @IrisVanRooij and

          I think that the problem of online bullying is actually one of the *main* problems in #openscience. Fear of public shaming prevents people from open discussions of preprints, etc. I have been bullied myself, and observe cases of online bullying of respected academics about weekly

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @generegulation @ceptional and

          My concern is bullying punching down. Bullying punching up is more of a gray area as to if it or is not actually bullying. I don't want to muddy the waters with a discussion on the nature of bullying but IMHO it is not the main issue. Lack of inclusivity and diversity are.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @generegulation and

          Bros were anti diversity/inclusivity before they moved into online spaces (e.g., Twitter) & they were like this at conferences and within their labs and so on. They hold relative positions of power. So yes, it's bullying but we need to be careful what we describe as bullying.

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