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BTW these things always happen. When I wrote this (a pro open science/open source) post, I got push back saying I'm against people coding... Even though I wrote it to help people learn how to code.http://neuroplausible.com/matlab
People will always find a way to twist stuff one way or another. But in my ten years of doing research (much less than many in this thread) open science has been great to see gain momentum, totally a great thing.
But it naturally will attract bad actors. And we need to weed them out. That's all. I'm 100% for Open science. I didn't spend my phd (4+ years ago now time flies!) replicating computational models, begging for open source, and better research practises to give up now. 
Yes, but let’s weed them out individually and directly! That’s harder to do, but looks much more encouraging and welcoming than talking down the whole movement.
Let's just disagree to disagree. 
But I think we agree! I just don’t think it’s helpful to say that there is a general problem, because then we keep bad actors - which is what we all want to avoid!
I don't believe it's a few rogue bros. I think toxic masculinity and other toxic behaviours that we see like bullying stem from systemic social issues which intersect with science whether open or not and we need to be vigilant.
And yes, like with open source and tech generally (if you saw that piece) it's possible for open science to end up less inclusive than the field(s) baseline(s).
My main worry is that some of these exchanges are putting off people from OS. Not just because of bad actors but because of suggestions that the wider OS community is hostile because of this or a perceived acceptance of hostility. As you said before lots of nuance lost on twitter
That's not what I get in my DMs. People see the bullies and ask me what the fuck.
It seems to be the nature of twitter (and FB), the way it's designed, that inflammatory posts (including bullying) get more attention than other stuff. So we need better social media platforms.
Uh, we also need to call out the bullying, right? Now it sounds as if we merely need to shift the attention away from it, in the service of OS image we turn a blind eye?
No, I wasnt' saying that. I do think it should be called out. Just that occasional twitter users get the wrong impression of bullying being more representative, due to the algorithms.
I think the opposite is the case here. It seems that many users do *not* see the bullying or harassment happening, and individuals suffer. And even in this thread it was questioned that it was really happening.
Ah ok, interesting point. Still, on average (as reflected in the Chronicle article), seems that both social media and click-driven journalism over-emphasises the bullying, but I could be wrong.
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