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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @IrisVanRooij @annemscheel

      I've work with data gathered by others. I've gathered data myself but only once and for an online thing (http://rescience.science ), so I don't really count it TBH. I have been involved in the design of experiments but never very very closely.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      But I have no idea if you consider me (I consider myself a modeller) a theory person and if you think I have "real experimental expertise"?

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      Most people have experimental experience in the way I use these words due to the way cogsci and psych are taught. Modellers seem to emerge despite not because of most programmes — because the focus seems to be almost always empirical.

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      So unless my experiences are somehow outlier ones (which they may be I realise I'm in a very small minority of people within cog/psych) I believe it's already the case that experimental experience is a baseline experience all PhDs have.

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 9 Oct 2018
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      Sometimes exp training can even hinder theoretical development. Not saying no empirical expertise is useful for theoretician, but also see how drilling of exp training can kill all conceptual creativity & make people conflate statistical hypothesis with substantive theory.

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    6. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 9 Oct 2018
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      If you're analyzing data, I think that's essentially empirical experience. I think the important aspect is just to know that data can be messy so that you don't get too attached to a particular interpretation of it.

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    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 9 Oct 2018
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      This is a good point, e.g. was at meeting with logicians & a cognitive scientist showed a plot of human data, with 3 noisy lines. I and other empirically trained ppl understood the general pattern. A logician asked "why do the lines zig-zag & how does your theory explain that?"

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    8. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 9 Oct 2018
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      Just saying: that some experience with the variability in data / phenomena of interest can give one a better sense of what pattern in the observations is in need of substantive theoretical explanation.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @bradpwyble @annemscheel

      Yeah, I've been where that logician was. 🤣 The only stats-related thing I knew before I moved to Psychology were Bayesian graphical models. I can't believe after more than a decade the module still exists and is taught by the same person! https://www.york.ac.uk/students/studying/manage/programmes/module-catalogue/module/COM00032H/2018-19 …

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    10. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 9 Oct 2018
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      🙂 But those are very useful too! Especially for better understanding Bayesian models in cognitive science and/or designing them oneself.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @bradpwyble @annemscheel

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

      Yes. Absolutely! But it made learning frequentist stuff very confusing! Especially at the start... I was like "why are we learning the equation of a line?" when we were taught linear regression for example. Also, oops. Sorry for breaking the thread.https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1049777498056220673?s=19 …

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and 2 others
      To be clear, it's not 100% unchanged. It didn't used to have the phrase machine learning in it, for example. A clear demonstration of the effect of the current hype. 😅
      2:46 PM - 9 Oct 2018
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        1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 Oct 2018
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          I wasn't used to how stats is taught in psychology at all.

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