And smile, nod, wave to other men? I’m just curious. I’ve never asked men these questions.
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Agreed. But perhaps we should stop looking at the victims, as if they're to blame, and focus on the pervasive toxic masculinity in society and how it affects everyone negatively, even, if not especially, those who are most symptomatic of it.
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That was literally my point.
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And mine.
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I dunno. The end of your sentence smacks of "but men are the real victims here".

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They're the conduits of toxic masculinity which harms society as a whole. We should work to dismantle that, whilst supporting those who have experienced direct violence, which will benefit everyone. Focusing on the victims of violence doesn't seem to be dismantling the kyriarchy.
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I'm not trying to say "men are the real victims" because I see there are two sets of victims. 1) everyone, because society has issues 2) the people who have been on the receiving end of violence Both sets are real, but I wasn't suggesting ignoring the 2nd to focus on the 1st
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And I was absolutely not suggesting that "the real victims" were those in the first group but not the second. If anything, the ones in the second group are "the real victims". But it seems that too many people say it's on the victims to have done more.
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It's on everyone, but especially those who have systemic power, to dismantle the system that causes toxic masculinity. Being masculine, as far as I can tell, isn't the problem. But having male privilege and not confronting toxic masculinity is.
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