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    1. Krys Dolega‏ @krysdolega 22 Sep 2018
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      Krys Dolega Retweeted Blake Richards

      A must read for anyone interested in embodied cognition (I assume that that computationalists know this already)https://twitter.com/tyrell_turing/status/1043153851711279105 …

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      1/ A thread on the brain as a computer (tl; dr: 🧠=💻):
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    2. Krys Dolega‏ @krysdolega 22 Sep 2018
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      I would also add that anyone interested in non-intentional accounts of computation should read Gualtiero Piccinini's 'Physical Computation' which is probably the best book on philosophy of computation out there

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    3. Micah Allen‏ @micahgallen 22 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @krysdolega

      It's a decent thread but doesn't it drastically oversimplify the debate? I'm pretty sure folks like Dreyfus, Sellars, Searle understood what a Turing machine is.

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    4. Micah Allen‏ @micahgallen 22 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @micahgallen @krysdolega

      There's a line where he goes "neural networks are turing complete, therefore human brains are". I think I felt a few philosophers punch a wall somewhere...

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 22 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @micahgallen @krysdolega

      Noticed indeed @tyrell_turing seems to suggest the brain *is* a TM. Personally, I think we need not make such claim. We can instead focus on *explanation*, and see TM computability as fundamental limit on computational *explanation* (assuming Church-Turing thesis ofc).

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    6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 22 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @micahgallen and

      And, in any case, if anything is a TM it is the brain-body-environment system as a whole (as the world is (part of) the tape).

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    7. Åse Kvist Innes-Ker‏ @asehelene 22 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @micahgallen and

      I kind of get the argument, but we have the connotative issue. The association with computational does not extend that far, I would guess, but call up the metaphor of brain as a pc/mac/mainframe. What words mean is....fuzzy #JustTaughtPhilOSci

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @asehelene @IrisVanRooij and

      Not all NNs are Turing complete. So I'm not even sure the people making that argument are aware of what Turing complete even means...? To show a system, e.g., a programming language is Turing complete all you need to do is show it can express NAND. It's really simple.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @asehelene and

      *Conceptually simple. Also NOR is possible too.

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        2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 22 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @asehelene and

          Not sure what you mean @asehelene. Do you mean people tend to associate "TM" with desktop computer and think of computational theory of mind as 'metaphor'?

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        3. Åse Kvist Innes-Ker‏ @asehelene 22 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          Yes, very much so. Hence ”hardwired” etc. but my sense also, teaching masters, is they have zero background on algorithms, standard logic, etc. going thru the cog revolution including Turing is new to them.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @asehelene @IrisVanRooij and

          Coming from UG psych?

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        5. Åse Kvist Innes-Ker‏ @asehelene 22 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          Yes- internationally. I did cog psy in early 90 and had to learn c ++ Lisp and fid neural nets, some non linesr dynamics and math and logic in addition. Hard to find common ground for teaching theoretical aspects.

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        6. Åse Kvist Innes-Ker‏ @asehelene 22 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @asehelene @o_guest and

          I always thought psy needed more formal things (I purdued it voluntarily) but it hasn’t happened. Very smart students, but formsl aspects still not huge part.

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        7. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter 22 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @asehelene @o_guest and

          For a brief moment, I thought you had verbed Purdue University. :-)

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @JPdeRuiter @asehelene and

          Purdon't

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        9. Åse Kvist Innes-Ker‏ @asehelene 23 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @JPdeRuiter and

          Crap - I really do know how to spell, usually. Just not on the damned i-phone

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