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    1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Sep 2018
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      Which of the #replyguys is this btw?

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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      CC @sbarolo @shrewshrew

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    3. Scott Barolo‏ @sbarolo 18 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij @shrewshrew

      shrew and I have discussed this. One big difference between our chart and other lists of sexist tactics is that we didn’t specifically call out Derailing/Distracting. But that’s because we split it into several distinct (we think) techniques for doing that. 1/2

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    4. Scott Barolo‏ @sbarolo 18 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @sbarolo @o_guest and

      Tone Police and Himpathy (and Cookie) center the man’s feelings. The Prestige centers the woman’s low status / illegitimacy. Mansplainer and Sea Lion try to reduce the woman’s point to technical quibbles. Gaslighter tries to undermine the idea that misogyny even exists.

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    5. Scott Barolo‏ @sbarolo 18 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @sbarolo @o_guest and

      That’s why we didn’t have a Guy called The Derailer: it’s mostly derailing! But we thought these tactics were distinct enough (and can be handled in distinct ways) to merit being listed separately

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @sbarolo @IrisVanRooij @shrewshrew

      Speaking of derailing... this is amazing.http://www.derailingfordummies.com/ 

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    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Sep 2018
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      Thanks @o_guest for that link! Thanks @shrewshrew for clarifying! I was indeed thinking about what exact type of derailing it was, but given your analysis it seems in this particular case it is a mix of most of them. Making it such a moving target it seems.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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      I think it's a big dose of this IMHO:http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-retaliation/ …

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      The headings really fit some of the patterns: Don’t You Have More Important Issues To Think About Your Experience Is Not Representative Of Everyone Unless You Can Prove Your Experience Is Widespread I Won’t Believe It You’re Not Being A Team Playerhttp://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-retaliation/ …

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      And then some of these too: You’re Not Being Intellectual Enough/You’re Being Overly Intellectual You’re Interrogating From The Wrong Perspective You’re Arguing With Opinions Not Facthttp://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-intellectualism/ …

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      This too actually: It’s Only The Internethttp://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-humour/ …

      4:18 AM - 18 Sep 2018
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      • Dude, just no The Mueller  R█████ eigenvalue Scott Barolo Dr Cathryn Townsend Iris van Rooij Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ
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        2. Scott Barolo‏ @sbarolo 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij @shrewshrew

          It’s interesting (to me anyway) to see how different people have lumped and split this problem differently. One shrew and I settled on 9 categories (à la Groening’s “Life in Hell”) we were making BIG changes to the categories in our chart right up to the day we posted it.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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          It's fine to have many ways of understanding these similar/same issues IMHO.

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        4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Sep 2018
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          It is very valuable. It gives tools for thinking about patterns of interaction and not staying caught in the or being fooled by them. #gratitude

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @sbarolo @shrewshrew

          Some of the best resources have been around for so long too, e.g.,http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Geek_Feminism_Wiki …

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        6. Scott Barolo‏ @sbarolo 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij @shrewshrew

          Oh! Thats amazing, thanks so much for posting the link!

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @sbarolo @IrisVanRooij @shrewshrew

          These are vast swathes of great stuff out there created predominantly by women too. Tactics we have touched on but not in this thread that seem to apply here are, e.g., http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Concern_trolling …

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @sbarolo and

          Just to be clear, "great stuff" doesn't mean perfect.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @sbarolo and

          Another place where this rhetoric is analysed quite well, or at least pointed out, is:https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/ …

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          These: But That Happens To Me Too! But I’m Not Like That – Stop Stereotying!http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-entitlement/ …

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        3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Sep 2018
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          Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

          Truth:https://twitter.com/irisvanrooij/status/1041345089015087104?s=21 …

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          Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
          Replying to @bradpwyble @theblub and 3 others
          Some ppl seem to think twitter is not ‘real life’ & being a jerk on twitter is OK. How ppl are treated here has consequences. I actually think both your responses are derailing from/ignoring this point (from a position of privilege). You don’t see it, so it‘s not a real issue?
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        4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

          And ofc, the Look at me Being Smart in Navigating the Internet and Avoiding Trolls. Dear Women, Just Follow My Example and You’ll be Fine:https://twitter.com/irisvanrooij/status/1040154708927754245?s=21 …

          Iris van Rooij added,

          Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
          Replying to @lakens @vcheplygina @CaAl
          Je snapt niet Daniël. De reactie is niet alleen voor de troll, maar ook voor de anderen die zien dat mannen zoals jij stilblijven als een vrouw zo behandeld wordt. En wat je doet is mansplaining, alsof wij vrouwen niet weten wat trollen zijn. Hah! I wish.
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        5. Scott Barolo‏ @sbarolo 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest @shrewshrew

          That one really burns me up bc it pretends to be supportive. That’s #1 on our chart (Life Coach)

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        6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @sbarolo @o_guest @shrewshrew

          Thank you for saying this!pic.twitter.com/dDFrX6xZhg

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