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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      I didn't mention any policy or to ban anything. I stated a preference for what I have experienced within my field on how academic culture manifests in the UK. Surely disliking academic culture [which is toxically anti-working-class] doesn't make me anti-working class, does it?

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    2. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

      ... you literally said 'unlimited alcohol is unprofessional, unhealthy' [demonising] and then It's one of the things that's so much better in academia in the USA.' [better isn't a personal preference it's an assertion]. In context of someone saying there shouldn't be open bars

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    3. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

      You picked one of the few things which UK academia does which is inclusive of working class work culture. Said 'better to not have it's without any personal opinion qualification. And used health (a favourite classism beat stick) to police people's consumption

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      You don't have to explain this to me if you don't want to of course. But can you unpack what you mean by "inclusive of working class work culture"? I genuinely don't understand.

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    5. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

      Separation of friends and colleagues is, at least in the UK, traditionally a middle class state of affairs as working clas folk traditionally all worked in the same industry and lived in the same town - twas traditional for them to go to a pub with colleagues / friends after work

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    6. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

      Working class work culture therefore embraces drinking with colleagues and counting them also as personal friends - which is one of the few things UK academia does well

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    7. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

      'professionalism' in other industries and academia in the US enforces a 'colleagues not pals' paradigm as 'appropriate' and typically looks down on colleagues drinking together socially

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    8. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

      When that happens, the way the working classes go about handling their professional relationships is branded unprofessional and inappropriate, therefore exclusionary. UK academia tends to be very good at now doing this, and as a consequence maintains 'horizontal' hierarchy too

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @Jade_Pickering and

      What's horizontal hierarchy?

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    10. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

      Equality of treatment amongst / between people regardless of perceived 'rank'. PhD students will talk to professors very informally, relaxed, without titles etc. much as they would to another PhD student

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @Jade_Pickering and

      Ah, I would call that no hierarchy but yeah, got you. So, we must be in very different fields as that is certainly not the case in my field.

      9:57 AM - 13 Sep 2018
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        2. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

          Ecology - and every other discipline with 'fieldwork' and few connections to industry tends to be at the extreme end of it - no enforcement of corporate paradigms through industry transfers and living with your boss camping in tents for weeks really breaks down boundaries hah

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        3. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

          But even in those fields it's much more profound in the UK than elsewhere (US, Germany)

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        4. Julie Blommaert  👩🏼‍🔬‏ @Julie_B92 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

          Here in austria I can talk casually with professors but I wouldn’t say I’m friends with the majority of my colleagues, which is very different to the UK or NZ

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