To you maybe, but to others of us with experience in both US and UK academia the difference goes the other way. Drinking with colleagues is an inherent part of UK working class culture. Enforced 'professionalism' and demonisation of drinking to me always feels classist.
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Replying to @BeesAndBaking @Jade_Pickering and
I'm not from the UK though. I'm a Cypriot immigrant to the UK. I moved here in 2006 and still don't understand your class system. So I'm not sure my concerns stem from my being a toff or my attempt at utilisation of a class system to further my ideological aims, etc.
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Replying to @o_guest @BeesAndBaking and
I have no issues with working class English academics and sadly the bias against them is very powerful. I am not convinced what is keeping them out is my aversion to an environment with unlimited alcoholic beverages though.
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Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and
No but introducing a 'no open bars' policy would contribute further to exclusion. We can have open bars with non-alcoholic drinks and not go about saying one academic culture is 'better' than another for demonising drinking. One can find it preferable but 'better' I object to
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Replying to @BeesAndBaking @Jade_Pickering and
I didn't mention any policy or to ban anything. I stated a preference for what I have experienced within my field on how academic culture manifests in the UK. Surely disliking academic culture [which is toxically anti-working-class] doesn't make me anti-working class, does it?
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Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and
... you literally said 'unlimited alcohol is unprofessional, unhealthy' [demonising] and then It's one of the things that's so much better in academia in the USA.' [better isn't a personal preference it's an assertion]. In context of someone saying there shouldn't be open bars
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Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and
You picked one of the few things which UK academia does which is inclusive of working class work culture. Said 'better to not have it's without any personal opinion qualification. And used health (a favourite classism beat stick) to police people's consumption
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Replying to @BeesAndBaking @Jade_Pickering and
You don't have to explain this to me if you don't want to of course. But can you unpack what you mean by "inclusive of working class work culture"? I genuinely don't understand.
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Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and
Separation of friends and colleagues is, at least in the UK, traditionally a middle class state of affairs as working clas folk traditionally all worked in the same industry and lived in the same town - twas traditional for them to go to a pub with colleagues / friends after work
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Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and
Working class work culture therefore embraces drinking with colleagues and counting them also as personal friends - which is one of the few things UK academia does well
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How do you suggest you make the pub (?) environment inclusive to people like me? Or is it not worth it?
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