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    1. Jade Pickering‏ @Jade_Pickering 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @Tifftastic87 @o_guest @Julie_B92

      I've been to one where there were no free soft drinks but the alcohol was free...it was infuriating. I left early.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @Jade_Pickering @Tifftastic87 @Julie_B92

      I'm really sorry for that. This has been my experience too. It's exclusionary for all types of non-drinkers, Muslims, recovering alcoholics, people like me who can't drink for medical reasons, etc.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

      I also really hate UK academic drinks culture. It's one of the things that's so much better in academia in the USA.

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    4. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

      To you maybe, but to others of us with experience in both US and UK academia the difference goes the other way. Drinking with colleagues is an inherent part of UK working class culture. Enforced 'professionalism' and demonisation of drinking to me always feels classist.

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @Jade_Pickering and

      I'm not from the UK though. I'm a Cypriot immigrant to the UK. I moved here in 2006 and still don't understand your class system. So I'm not sure my concerns stem from my being a toff or my attempt at utilisation of a class system to further my ideological aims, etc.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @BeesAndBaking and

      I have no issues with working class English academics and sadly the bias against them is very powerful. I am not convinced what is keeping them out is my aversion to an environment with unlimited alcoholic beverages though.

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    7. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

      No but introducing a 'no open bars' policy would contribute further to exclusion. We can have open bars with non-alcoholic drinks and not go about saying one academic culture is 'better' than another for demonising drinking. One can find it preferable but 'better' I object to

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @Jade_Pickering and

      I didn't mention any policy or to ban anything. I stated a preference for what I have experienced within my field on how academic culture manifests in the UK. Surely disliking academic culture [which is toxically anti-working-class] doesn't make me anti-working class, does it?

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    9. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

      ... you literally said 'unlimited alcohol is unprofessional, unhealthy' [demonising] and then It's one of the things that's so much better in academia in the USA.' [better isn't a personal preference it's an assertion]. In context of someone saying there shouldn't be open bars

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    10. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

      You picked one of the few things which UK academia does which is inclusive of working class work culture. Said 'better to not have it's without any personal opinion qualification. And used health (a favourite classism beat stick) to police people's consumption

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @BeesAndBaking @Jade_Pickering and

      You don't have to explain this to me if you don't want to of course. But can you unpack what you mean by "inclusive of working class work culture"? I genuinely don't understand.

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        2. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Jade_Pickering and

          Separation of friends and colleagues is, at least in the UK, traditionally a middle class state of affairs as working clas folk traditionally all worked in the same industry and lived in the same town - twas traditional for them to go to a pub with colleagues / friends after work

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        3. Lewis 'Horticultural Lad' Bartlett  🐝 🍰‏ @BeesAndBaking 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

          Working class work culture therefore embraces drinking with colleagues and counting them also as personal friends - which is one of the few things UK academia does well

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        4. Tiff: in thesis mode  🐟‏ @Tifftastic87 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @BeesAndBaking @o_guest and

          I just have to say that this is what kept me in academia. I was going to leave after my masters and go into gov or industry, but the treating colleagues as friends and welcoming of everyone to socialise on Fridays (or midweek) made me feel so welcome when no one else ever had

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @Tifftastic87 @BeesAndBaking and

          I feel the same way but never tie(d) this in with drinking.

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        6. Tiff: in thesis mode  🐟‏ @Tifftastic87 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @BeesAndBaking and

          For example, our institute goes to the pub together every Friday. One of the things I do is organise what pub we're going to. My way to make it as inclusive as I can is to choose a pub that has lots of space, offers food (if it doesn't then takeaways nearby), softdrinks and cheap

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @Tifftastic87 @BeesAndBaking and

          My whole university moved seminars away from the ability to go to the pub afterwards as part of a drive towards being more family-friendly. Pub time overlaps, in their opinion, too much with picking-up kids time and thus they believe their move promotes inclusivity of mothers.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Tifftastic87 and

          Is this something considered here in your pro-pub opinions or do you two (Tiff and and Lewis) actually think my university is being classist? Again, genuine question, I want to know your thoughts.

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        9. Julie Blommaert  👩🏼‍🔬‏ @Julie_B92 13 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Tifftastic87 and

          Socialising doesn’t have to be tied to seminars?

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