There're two separate issues IMHO which always come up. 1) Creepy behaviour should be admonished, creepers shunned. In this discussion we should not get bogged down and derailed by alcohol and whether it's a factor. We know 100% sober people are creeps, so let's stay focused.
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... you literally said 'unlimited alcohol is unprofessional, unhealthy' [demonising] and then It's one of the things that's so much better in academia in the USA.' [better isn't a personal preference it's an assertion]. In context of someone saying there shouldn't be open bars
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You picked one of the few things which UK academia does which is inclusive of working class work culture. Said 'better to not have it's without any personal opinion qualification. And used health (a favourite classism beat stick) to police people's consumption
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You don't have to explain this to me if you don't want to of course. But can you unpack what you mean by "inclusive of working class work culture"? I genuinely don't understand.
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Separation of friends and colleagues is, at least in the UK, traditionally a middle class state of affairs as working clas folk traditionally all worked in the same industry and lived in the same town - twas traditional for them to go to a pub with colleagues / friends after work
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Working class work culture therefore embraces drinking with colleagues and counting them also as personal friends - which is one of the few things UK academia does well
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I just have to say that this is what kept me in academia. I was going to leave after my masters and go into gov or industry, but the treating colleagues as friends and welcoming of everyone to socialise on Fridays (or midweek) made me feel so welcome when no one else ever had
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I feel the same way but never tie(d) this in with drinking.
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For example, our institute goes to the pub together every Friday. One of the things I do is organise what pub we're going to. My way to make it as inclusive as I can is to choose a pub that has lots of space, offers food (if it doesn't then takeaways nearby), softdrinks and cheap
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