I got the impressive he wasn't blaming alcohol but acknowledging that creepy people are less inhibited & thus extra dangerous when alcohol is involved, especially if their victim is also intoxicated. It's still 100% the creepy person's fault for being an awful excuse for a human.
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I have no issues with working class English academics and sadly the bias against them is very powerful. I am not convinced what is keeping them out is my aversion to an environment with unlimited alcoholic beverages though.
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No but introducing a 'no open bars' policy would contribute further to exclusion. We can have open bars with non-alcoholic drinks and not go about saying one academic culture is 'better' than another for demonising drinking. One can find it preferable but 'better' I object to
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I didn't mention any policy or to ban anything. I stated a preference for what I have experienced within my field on how academic culture manifests in the UK. Surely disliking academic culture [which is toxically anti-working-class] doesn't make me anti-working class, does it?
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... you literally said 'unlimited alcohol is unprofessional, unhealthy' [demonising] and then It's one of the things that's so much better in academia in the USA.' [better isn't a personal preference it's an assertion]. In context of someone saying there shouldn't be open bars
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You picked one of the few things which UK academia does which is inclusive of working class work culture. Said 'better to not have it's without any personal opinion qualification. And used health (a favourite classism beat stick) to police people's consumption
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You don't have to explain this to me if you don't want to of course. But can you unpack what you mean by "inclusive of working class work culture"? I genuinely don't understand.
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Separation of friends and colleagues is, at least in the UK, traditionally a middle class state of affairs as working clas folk traditionally all worked in the same industry and lived in the same town - twas traditional for them to go to a pub with colleagues / friends after work
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Working class work culture therefore embraces drinking with colleagues and counting them also as personal friends - which is one of the few things UK academia does well
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Oh I'm not at all saying they do, I'm only speaking from my point of view that through my minority axis/axes, prohibiting open bars also feels exclusionary, and therefore I can't support it as a 'solution' to exclusion
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