Like yeah getting absolutely wasted at a conference isn’t exactly professional or a good look, but I can guarantee you that creepy, harassing men will continue to be creepy and harassing even without alcohol
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In the UK many events are unlimited drinks. To be clear, that's a world apart from 2 drinks per person. So yeah, my experiences are dramatically different.
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Yeah, I haven’t been to any conferences with unlimited drinks and there’s almost always been non-alcoholic options (and I think they should always be available)
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It's very different worlds we inhabit and I'm glad it's safer/more professional where you go!
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To you maybe, but to others of us with experience in both US and UK academia the difference goes the other way. Drinking with colleagues is an inherent part of UK working class culture. Enforced 'professionalism' and demonisation of drinking to me always feels classist.
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I'm not from the UK though. I'm a Cypriot immigrant to the UK. I moved here in 2006 and still don't understand your class system. So I'm not sure my concerns stem from my being a toff or my attempt at utilisation of a class system to further my ideological aims, etc.
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I have no issues with working class English academics and sadly the bias against them is very powerful. I am not convinced what is keeping them out is my aversion to an environment with unlimited alcoholic beverages though.
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No but introducing a 'no open bars' policy would contribute further to exclusion. We can have open bars with non-alcoholic drinks and not go about saying one academic culture is 'better' than another for demonising drinking. One can find it preferable but 'better' I object to
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I didn't mention any policy or to ban anything. I stated a preference for what I have experienced within my field on how academic culture manifests in the UK. Surely disliking academic culture [which is toxically anti-working-class] doesn't make me anti-working class, does it?
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... you literally said 'unlimited alcohol is unprofessional, unhealthy' [demonising] and then It's one of the things that's so much better in academia in the USA.' [better isn't a personal preference it's an assertion]. In context of someone saying there shouldn't be open bars
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You picked one of the few things which UK academia does which is inclusive of working class work culture. Said 'better to not have it's without any personal opinion qualification. And used health (a favourite classism beat stick) to police people's consumption
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You don't have to explain this to me if you don't want to of course. But can you unpack what you mean by "inclusive of working class work culture"? I genuinely don't understand.
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