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    1. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 9 Sep 2018
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      There were some good threads on the visionlist about this, with discussions about whether to scrap peer review or not about 4 years ago. Lots of debate, no resolution. The older folks in our field tended to be more conservative as you'd expect.

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    2. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 9 Sep 2018
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      No surprises there :/ Though I don’t think it matters to change their minds, again in the grand scheme of things. It’s enough that we change our minds. Bottom up change is slow but strong.

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    3. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 9 Sep 2018
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      Yep, agree there. The wheels are definitely moving.. in some.. direction

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    4. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 9 Sep 2018
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      This is long but it made a large impression on me. Talks about peer-review as intelligence deaugmentation in terms of how it interacts with research community; when contrasted with things that improve productivity and selection among possibilities http://see.library.utoronto.ca/SEED/Vol3-3/Ransdell.htm …

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    5. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 9 Sep 2018
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      That sounds very interesting, thank you! I’ll read.

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    6. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 9 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @zerdeve @sir_deenicus and

      wow this paper really is rich. gives me so much to think about! thanks again 😊

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @zerdeve @sir_deenicus and

      I didn't want to break the thread but in tandem with phil of science I'd say looking at some history of science would probably help too. Seeing what they did before formalised peer review, for example, can help to see what systems we can rule in or out.https://www.nature.com/news/peer-review-troubled-from-the-start-1.19763 …

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      I haven't read any of the above recommendations yet, though! So that's something on my list and might cover what I just asked for. I'd love some history of science on the (often just emergent rather than engineered) processes so we can propose/design better ones for the future.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      Suffice it to say from the little I know a high contrast "peer review is bad" or "peer review is good" view will be misplaced as "you'll find it's more complex than that". 😅

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      The same criticism on such either or thinking applies IMHO when the word "open" is inserted above too. To evaluate a complex system it needs to be run (simulated or empirically). I'm a modeller though, of course I'd say that. 😂

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      And I'm aware nobody in this thread disagrees probably... I just wanted to say it as I've seen claims made without computational nor empirical evidence and it's jarring.

      2:25 AM - 10 Sep 2018
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        2. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 10 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @sir_deenicus and

          That’s a great point that always jumps at me when reading especially philosophy of science. I see lots of empirical claims, never tested, accepted as is. What an incredibly vast domain full of research questions.

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        3. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 10 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @zerdeve @o_guest and

          Tbh that’s why we study what we study. We need to understand the mechanics of science better before we try to “reform” it based on our assumptions.

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        4. Dr Aidan Budd  🐈‏ @AidanBudd 10 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @zerdeve @o_guest and

          "If it is impossible to predict the future directions of science, how can priorities for research be meaningful? Consider the irony of the consequent conclusion. Does it make sense to be scientific about everything in our universe except the future course of science?" Bloom 1998

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        5. Dr Aidan Budd  🐈‏ @AidanBudd 10 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @AidanBudd @zerdeve and

          I just love that quote - it sums up so much that has frustrated me over the years listening to people informing others about the correct way to do science.

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        6. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 10 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @AidanBudd @o_guest and

          I hear you!!! And I like that quote.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 10 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @zerdeve @AidanBudd and

          TBF I think the question is a little cheeky even troll-y: "Does it make sense to be scientific about everything in our universe except the future course of science?" I'm not into scientism & humans, and scientists, are decidedly not scientific nor scientism-ic about everything.

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        8. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 10 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @AidanBudd and

          Hmm I took it as mere hyperbole but that’s a fair point.

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        9. Dr Aidan Budd  🐈‏ @AidanBudd 10 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @zerdeve @o_guest and

          I always took it as a criticism of scientists asserting themselves as "doing their science" through evidence-based inference, but not interested in considering "how could we do our science better" in any context other than "my experience says this is the best way/the problem"

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