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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      People claiming that cos I said Matlab isn't the best to teach younglings that therefore I'm saying work done in Matlab isn't good are wrong. Some did great science before #openscience movement started, it doesn't alter the fact we now have a better way.http://neuroplausible.com/matlab 

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Also if you're so worried about my opinion on your work, you're probably doing something wrong as I'm not that powerful. 😂 On a more serious note tho, Matlab is not #openscience, nor #reproducible, nor #sustainable software. I can't repeat this enough. Students denserve better.

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    3. M. Gonzalez-Marquez  👩🏻‍🔬 🏳️‍🌈  🦄  📖‏ @aeryn_thrace 22 Aug 2018
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      I remember watching a grad student try to code a response time experiment using matlab. She'd been at it for weeks. I showed her how to do what she needed in an hour using psyscript (open source, now defunct) but her supervisor insisted on matlab. pointless.

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Aug 2018
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      It's so important to share these stories. Thank you.

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    5. M. Gonzalez-Marquez  👩🏻‍🔬 🏳️‍🌈  🦄  📖‏ @aeryn_thrace 22 Aug 2018
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      :-). I remember being completely perplexed. Why waste someone's time with a suboptimal tool? Yes, it can be done, but why?pic.twitter.com/WRQzWpL06E

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    6. Corey Yanofsky truly and sincerely‏ @Corey_Yanofsky 22 Aug 2018
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      in general, it's good for a team to standardize on a small set of shared tools so that team members can understand each other's work product and (hopefully) so that the product remains useful after the person who created it has left and thus "COBOL programmer" is still a thing

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    7. M. Gonzalez-Marquez  👩🏻‍🔬 🏳️‍🌈  🦄  📖‏ @aeryn_thrace 22 Aug 2018
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      agreed. the key phrase is 'a small set of shared tools', presumably the best for a group of tasks. I've never heard of matlab being considered even vaguely optimal for human online experiments. There are much better options, on many dimensions.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Aug 2018
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      A lab is not just a team like in industry though. We do not have to comply with shareholders' requests and we certainly should (in theory) try to teach useful skills.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Aug 2018
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      By useful I mean useful in more contexts than just the current lab set-up!

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        2. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 22 Aug 2018
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          I would add that "useful" should move beyond the lab.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Aug 2018
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          Exactly!

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Aug 2018
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          In an ideal world labs are not just there to create a "product". Science is not a product nor a service. It's something else. And through tax we fund it, not on the "open market", but through government grants primarily. Thinking of it as a business venture is confused IMHO.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Aug 2018
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          Society, we, have decided to do it this way. If we decide basic science is not worth funding that's another story. But currently all our actions & decisions lead to this: a lab is not a business & the skills we teach should NOT be selected on the same merits as a business would.

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        6. Corey Yanofsky truly and sincerely‏ @Corey_Yanofsky 22 Aug 2018
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          I agree -- science is not a business. I've done research in both contexts, and the cross-cutting concern is reproducibility of analyses. Standard tools are necessary but far from sufficient. IME business is mediocre at this, and academia is miles worse .

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Aug 2018
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          Agreed! Hence why I said "in an ideal world"...

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