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    1. Manjari Narayan‏ @NeuroStats 19 Aug 2018
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      It is mostly that 90% of folks who use it don't follow good practices which gives it a bad rep.

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    2. Matt Krause‏ @prokraustinator 19 Aug 2018
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      THIS! There's probably some self-selecting too. People who run a monolithic .m file with 'parameters' updated by find-and-replace aren't looking for a new language; they use whatever someone wrote 5 years ago. You could do the same garbage with a python script (but plz don't).

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Yeah, that's my point. "Matlab coders within psychology also have and create a culture around them aided by the IDE and the pre-existing community they have joined."http://neuroplausible.com/matlab 

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    4. Matt Krause‏ @prokraustinator 20 Aug 2018
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      My point is that the lack of training/professionalism/incentives is the problem, not 1-indexed arrays or whatnot. Maybe throwing everything out and starting over is the only way to fix that, but I'm not sure. Pycharm and RStudio seem to be converging on a very similar IDE, FWIW.

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      It's a constellation of issues. The IDEs in Python and R are NOT the only things available in the ecosystems. So no, I don't agree at all.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Everything is in my blog post BTW. I covered everything. "IDEs are extremely useful if you are a proficient coder already. However, they can act more like bad training wheels on a bicycle, hindering deeper learning."http://neuroplausible.com/matlab 

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      The whole point of me writing that was to avoid tweeting all my arguments back at each person. So please read it, might be useful. 😅

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    8. Matt Krause‏ @prokraustinator 20 Aug 2018
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      I read it. I just don't agree with it. R starts arrays at 1. R, Python, and Matlab all have GUIs that let you edit data directly. You can write spaghetti garbage in anything from asm to yacc. The only matlab-specific thing in there is the 1 function per file (which is annoying).

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    9. Matt Krause‏ @prokraustinator 20 Aug 2018
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      Python has better industry uptake, it's easier to do non-signal-processing types of things (though many of us do a lot of that), and it's free. But it's not magic.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      I never claimed Python is magic. Like I said constellation of issues. Stop trying to claim it's just one thing that I am claiming. It's a series of issues, a culture.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @prokraustinator and

      Also you keep ignoring the issue of how Matlab is not #openscience. It's fine if you want to ignore everything I said, but then it's totally unproductive to keep going back and forth.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @prokraustinator and

          People can decide for themselves what they want to use. Most scis are switching to #opensource IIRC. @ResearchSoftEng @SoftwareSaved can probably link to something on that.

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        3. Matt Krause‏ @prokraustinator 20 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @NeuroStats and

          YES! People can do good, solid, reproducible work with any tool, whether it's matlab, python, or hand-assembled. You can see what their code does and copy it if you want. That's open. Your claim was that matlab is bad, bad for science and bad scientist. I think that's too strong.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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          No. I keep pasting this one for you, in the blogging it has links too. Are you sure you really read it? "Secondly, Matlab is closed source, proprietary, and prohibitively expensive if you have to buy it yourself."http://neuroplausible.com/matlab 

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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          "They obfuscate their source code in many cases, meaning bugs are much harder to spot and impossible to edit ourselves without risking court action. Moreover, using Matlab for science results in paywalling our code."http://neuroplausible.com/matlab 

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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          "We are by definition making our computational science closed."http://neuroplausible.com/matlab 

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @prokraustinator and

          Matlab is NOT #opensource ergo nor #openscience

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @prokraustinator and

          I take it you didn't click, so here is the link:https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2470765/can-i-distribute-my-matlab-program-as-open-source …

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @prokraustinator and

          Do not reply to me again because you're not engaging in good faith.

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