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    1. Mick Watson‏ @BioMickWatson 19 Aug 2018
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      I see Excel is being hated on again. To be honest, its quick visual sorting, filtering and graphing functions are exceptional. Fantastic for initial exploration of the data. I use it daily. Once I see the data, of course #rstats for serious graphs :)

      35 replies 43 retweets 359 likes
    2. Chris Cole‏ @drchriscole 20 Aug 2018
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      You're intentionally duplicating effort. Start with R and just continue. Instead you start with Excel and then redo it with R. Seems daft :)

      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    3.  🐸‏ @froggleston 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @drchriscole @BioMickWatson

      There's an important distinction between "seeing the data" (Excel is unarguably good at this) and "working with data" (Excel is unarguably poor at this).

      2 replies 4 retweets 7 likes
    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @froggleston @drchriscole @BioMickWatson

      If limited to just "seeing" the contents I would argue that is fine, although you do not need Excel to do that. Very expensive and bloated for just looking at some columns. Can be done better with better/smaller software.

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Dorothy Bishop

      What people seem to do is ENTER the data in Excel. This is disturbing. Please do not do that.https://twitter.com/deevybee/status/1031151509965352960 …

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

      Dorothy Bishop @deevybee
      Replying to @ProfData
      Aargh. Are you not aware that sometimes a human being needs to intervene to input data? Not all data comes from a 'data collection program'. Sorry, but I've had enough of being told what I know this morning and I am going back to my data analysis (in R).
      3 replies 2 retweets 0 likes
    6. Chris Cole‏ @drchriscole 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @froggleston @BioMickWatson

      TBF the alternatives for human data entry are very limited. Even I'll admit Excel is good for that. Important to structure the data first.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @drchriscole @froggleston @BioMickWatson

      Even if Excel is known to mangle stuff and other less bloated and cheaper software does less of this?

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    8. Mick Watson‏ @BioMickWatson 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @drchriscole @froggleston

      would love to hear suggestions - I think lots of people don't know about these

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @BioMickWatson @drchriscole @froggleston

      I can't say with certainty what is better as a) I don't enter data manually (I think this is important experience-based knowledge) and b) a lot of the issues highlighted by people are input-specific. So I'd suggest shopping around — Google Sheets? https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6388102?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en …

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    10.  🐸‏ @froggleston 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @BioMickWatson @drchriscole

      I would stick my neck out and state that the issue, 100%, is that biologists aren't universally trained in how to enter data into any system, anywhere. You're just left to your own devices, because, hey if you don't put that you "know" Excel on your CV, you look like a dingus.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @froggleston @BioMickWatson @drchriscole

      Oh, dear! Depressing: "if you don't put that you "know" Excel on your CV, you look like a dingus"!!!

      3:55 AM - 20 Aug 2018
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        2.  🐸‏ @froggleston 20 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @BioMickWatson @drchriscole

          I dunno - there's not a job interview goes by that Excel (or MS Office) isn't explicitly mentioned in IT skills. It's like a lowest common denominator.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 20 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @froggleston @BioMickWatson @drchriscole

          I'm sorry. This makes me feel my field is so ahead and that I should be prouder of where we are when all job apps pretty much say "Python needed" and no mention of any MS products.

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