Yeah the problem really isn’t women failing to do things here. Geez.
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Also it's not a lab-wise issue. Lack of women is a culture- and field-wide issue. One good lab is not like a patient zero and we'll all catch it.
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Also again to make it extra clear: Training women is important. But it's not causal in a meaningful way here. The problem is not that they don't get training, it's that they get pushed out. Everybody shows up with similar enough skill sets but somehow the women leak out.
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There are serious issues though for other fields because there almost no women do show up. Computer science in the West is basically all men. That sadly will never get addressed until the "male geek" trope, which I was lucky enough to grow up without, is dead.
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That's a huge social issue The West needs to grapple with and cannot be solved by academia or science.
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Either way, the issue isn't training — don't waste ppl's time. Some useful training would be to train men not to be sexist & not to sexually harass/assault people. That's certainly something that with the right training could improve everybody's lives professionally & generally.
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Preferably starting before kindergarten, before peer reinforcement lodges it so deeply that it's difficult to dislodge.
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You know the sad truth is as much as my childhood away from toxic male geeks worked nothing prepared me for the constant onslaught of "women can't code" I faced in the UK as a late teen/young adult.
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Most men I've met who say that, appear to feel threatened by women and want to keep a safe little enclave to themselves.
I've usually found that, although they may have some technical skills in they're not very useful because they're unable go work in teams.pic.twitter.com/JC2n6iip5p
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I've seen men who can work OK with a team of men but they just don't respect women, see them as equals. Think of your classic example of abusers, to help you imagine what's hidden: everybody thinks they are nice but certain people get treated very differently.
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I'll defer to your experience. I've never had the misfortune to work on a team of less than 30% women, except for one summer job running heavy machinery where it was too loud for much conversion.
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Replying to @Eric0Lawton @zerdeve and
I think we basically agree though as these personality issues all eventually, somehow, bubble up.
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