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    1. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 18 Aug 2018
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      👆 this, 💯

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @zerdeve @IrisVanRooij @djnavarro

      Recently, two people told me/said a version of "there are lots of women in developmental (modelling) labs so everything is OK" and "women are now being trained in computational stuff"... The problem really REALLY is not a lack of well-trained women. 😢

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      Also just to be clear, two people = senior-ish men in relatively and very powerful positions men in the broad cognitive science and psychology fields.

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    4. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 18 Aug 2018
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      😑 Yeah the problem really isn’t women failing to do things here. Geez.

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Also it's not a lab-wise issue. Lack of women is a culture- and field-wide issue. One good lab is not like a patient zero and we'll all catch it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      Also again to make it extra clear: Training women is important. But it's not causal in a meaningful way here. The problem is not that they don't get training, it's that they get pushed out. Everybody shows up with similar enough skill sets but somehow the women leak out.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      There are serious issues though for other fields because there almost no women do show up. Computer science in the West is basically all men. That sadly will never get addressed until the "male geek" trope, which I was lucky enough to grow up without, is dead.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      That's a huge social issue The West needs to grapple with and cannot be solved by academia or science. 😣

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      Either way, the issue isn't training — don't waste ppl's time. Some useful training would be to train men not to be sexist & not to sexually harass/assault people. That's certainly something that with the right training could improve everybody's lives professionally & generally.

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    10. Eric Lawton‏ @Eric0Lawton 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      Preferably starting before kindergarten, before peer reinforcement lodges it so deeply that it's difficult to dislodge.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @Eric0Lawton @zerdeve and

      You know the sad truth is as much as my childhood away from toxic male geeks worked nothing prepared me for the constant onslaught of "women can't code" I faced in the UK as a late teen/young adult. ☹️

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        2. Eric Lawton‏ @Eric0Lawton 18 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

          😠 Most men I've met who say that, appear to feel threatened by women and want to keep a safe little enclave to themselves. I've usually found that, although they may have some technical skills in they're not very useful because they're unable go work in teams.pic.twitter.com/JC2n6iip5p

          Calvin and Hobbes, no girls allowed club.
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        3. Eric Lawton‏ @Eric0Lawton 18 Aug 2018
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          *go = to

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @Eric0Lawton @zerdeve and

          I've seen men who can work OK with a team of men but they just don't respect women, see them as equals. Think of your classic example of abusers, to help you imagine what's hidden: everybody thinks they are nice but certain people get treated very differently.

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        5. Eric Lawton‏ @Eric0Lawton 18 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

          I'll defer to your experience. I've never had the misfortune to work on a team of less than 30% women, except for one summer job running heavy machinery where it was too loud for much conversion.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @Eric0Lawton @zerdeve and

          I think we basically agree though as these personality issues all eventually, somehow, bubble up. 😑

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