Also just to be clear, two people = senior-ish men in relatively and very powerful positions men in the broad cognitive science and psychology fields.
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Yeah the problem really isn’t women failing to do things here. Geez.1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
Also it's not a lab-wise issue. Lack of women is a culture- and field-wide issue. One good lab is not like a patient zero and we'll all catch it.
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Also again to make it extra clear: Training women is important. But it's not causal in a meaningful way here. The problem is not that they don't get training, it's that they get pushed out. Everybody shows up with similar enough skill sets but somehow the women leak out.
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There are serious issues though for other fields because there almost no women do show up. Computer science in the West is basically all men. That sadly will never get addressed until the "male geek" trope, which I was lucky enough to grow up without, is dead.
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That's a huge social issue The West needs to grapple with and cannot be solved by academia or science.
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Either way, the issue isn't training — don't waste ppl's time. Some useful training would be to train men not to be sexist & not to sexually harass/assault people. That's certainly something that with the right training could improve everybody's lives professionally & generally.
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So all in all, I find this idea that women can be trained to be thick skinned is fundamentally flawed. Not all men are thick skinned anyway and they magically do pretty well, right? And relatedly, training women generally as a solution to gender gaps is misplaced.
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People have been telling me my whole life to be thicker skinned and all I wanna do is scream.pic.twitter.com/NkxrAmvGva
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yup! on a similar point, i had written this a while backhttps://twitter.com/zerdeve/status/1013993900325736448?s=21 …
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Berna D. @zerdeveReplying to @dan_p_simpsonInteresting how long it has taken me to realize that most advice I have received all my life was about how to become more like a (middle aged white) man! I tried and failed and tried and failed for so long. Bah! I hate all advice as a result now. And people to a large extent too.2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
Yup! Although I'm not sure I can relate 100% personally with that as I have largely not been advised or mentored but it's certainly a true pattern out there.
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