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    1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Aug 2018
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      FWIW, I personally do not believe that you are doing anything wrong. Been trying to communicate at my institute: stop enrolling women in “stimulating female talent” trainings. As another colleague said: “we women don’t need to be stimulated”🤷🏻‍♀️ We need a culture change!

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    2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Aug 2018
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      I followed such trainings too. In the end the fruits of trying to mold me in a system that did not fit me was burnout. Trainings cost the institute money & they cost women time & head aches. They don’t help & may even hinder.

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Aug 2018
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      Meanwhile, an institute may think “we have programs to stimulate women; we’re doing good”. So nothing will change soon I’m afraid. As I see it: Women don’t need to be “trained” to play the academic game. IMO we best stop trying to train people to emulate problematic >>

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    4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 18 Aug 2018
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      behaviors of those succesfully adapted to an non-diverse and non-inclusive academic culture. We need a culture shift. An academic culture that values diversity & inclusivity, values science (not indices), values & rewards teams, collaboration, teaching, etc. /endrant 💜🌸

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    5. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 18 Aug 2018
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      👆 this, 💯

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Recently, two people told me/said a version of "there are lots of women in developmental (modelling) labs so everything is OK" and "women are now being trained in computational stuff"... The problem really REALLY is not a lack of well-trained women. 😢

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Also just to be clear, two people = senior-ish men in relatively and very powerful positions men in the broad cognitive science and psychology fields.

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    8. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 18 Aug 2018
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      😑 Yeah the problem really isn’t women failing to do things here. Geez.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Also it's not a lab-wise issue. Lack of women is a culture- and field-wide issue. One good lab is not like a patient zero and we'll all catch it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      Also again to make it extra clear: Training women is important. But it's not causal in a meaningful way here. The problem is not that they don't get training, it's that they get pushed out. Everybody shows up with similar enough skill sets but somehow the women leak out.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      There are serious issues though for other fields because there almost no women do show up. Computer science in the West is basically all men. That sadly will never get addressed until the "male geek" trope, which I was lucky enough to grow up without, is dead.

      11:30 AM - 18 Aug 2018
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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          That's a huge social issue The West needs to grapple with and cannot be solved by academia or science. 😣

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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          Either way, the issue isn't training — don't waste ppl's time. Some useful training would be to train men not to be sexist & not to sexually harass/assault people. That's certainly something that with the right training could improve everybody's lives professionally & generally.

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        4. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 18 Aug 2018
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          Amen to that 🙌

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 18 Aug 2018
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          💪🌸

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