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    1. Paul Matusz‏ @paweljmatusz 16 Aug 2018
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      Survivorship bias - certainly true. Do senior faculty also get a survivor syndrome (also known to occur in the workplace). Is that whats triggered this post and similar ones of others..? Guilt + „why me?” ?

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    2. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab 16 Aug 2018
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      Not sure. I don't think I am captured well by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor_guilt … . I think it is rather an acknowledgement that I am not drawn randomly out of a population and that my observations may not generalize. I do not want people to take away that it's all about persistence.

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    3. Paul Matusz‏ @paweljmatusz 17 Aug 2018
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      was thinking about somthng more along these lines - https://www.bjceap.com/Blog/ArtMID/448/ArticleID/75/Workplace-Survivor-Syndrome …. Defo persistence (and hard work that comes with & sacrifices) plays a role, as does luck. But indeed other factors play a role, too; for 1 i’ve found all my advisors insightful/„smart”, 1 way or another

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    4. andrea e. martin‏ @andrea_e_martin 17 Aug 2018
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      it seems to me that luck and the ability to persist often interact w/ structural inequality. very ripe for attribution errors. in both success and failure, how much is really due to the individual? the system? power structures/ inequality? (w/ a role for stochasticity of course)

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    5. Paul Matusz‏ @paweljmatusz 17 Aug 2018
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      Very true, I was hinting at that..

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @paweljmatusz @andrea_e_martin and

      Since we're at the intersection of aeroplanes survival & discrimination, I'm droping this. They were given shitty plywood planes because they were "a bunch of girlies" but they managed anyway. That's amazing but also indicative of what survivor bias does.https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/07/night-witches-the-female-fighter-pilots-of-world-war-ii/277779/ …

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    7. Dima Pasechnik‏ @dimpase 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @paweljmatusz and

      Soviet fighter planes in WWII were mostly plywood, too. E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-3 … (Probably most pilots preferred US planes...)

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @dimpase @paweljmatusz and

      These were canvas and plywood.

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    9. Paul Matusz‏ @paweljmatusz 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

      “canvas planes” it is then..

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    10. Dima Pasechnik‏ @dimpase 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @paweljmatusz @o_guest and

      PO-2 was a mass-produced (20.000 made) all-purpose slow and light plane. Flown by countless pilots, male and female. Helicopter was not yet invented. It is a bit far-fetched to say it was solely due to discrimination that females got to fly them.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @dimpase @paweljmatusz and

      Thanks for explaining your perspective does this actually change the fact they were treated differently and therefore are undeniably the product of survivor bias?

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        2. Dima Pasechnik‏ @dimpase 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @paweljmatusz and

          I don't really think they or anyone serving in Soviet Army in rank below colonel or so at that time was treated as anything but cannon fodder.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @dimpase @paweljmatusz and

          Thank you for you input, Dima. Sexism is now cancelled. Everybody, step down, no more feminism needed!

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        4. Dima Pasechnik‏ @dimpase 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @paweljmatusz and

          war and death cancels everything, even feminism...

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @dimpase @paweljmatusz and

          Pretty sure it doesn't and in fact women are hideously raped in war in ways unimaginable.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          The USSR is not known as being "feminist" during war time. So please fuck off with your "war ends sexism" Soviet-sexism-apologetics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany …

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          It would be lovely if you didn't reply to threads I'm in, as you have been more than once, to tell me what a great partner, great traveller and dad and whatever the fuck else you are. I couldn't care less and you just crossed a major line with your BS this time.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          If you think the USSR is less sexist than the UK, there have been many studied into this. I also come from a part of the world that superficially seems less sexist. However, the real story is much more depressing and interesting than Cyprus and the USSR are less sexist.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Lera Boroditsky

          This thread actually covers what you said and addresses the issues:https://twitter.com/leraboroditsky/status/1006178463101796353 …

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

          Lera Boroditsky @leraboroditsky
          Growing up in the Soviet Union I never heard that girls weren’t supposed to be good at math. New paper compares girls math performance in East & West Germany & shows how changing cultural gender expectations can transform performance. https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/11532/math-girls-and-socialism …
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          Also to be clear, you categorically disagree with Wikipedia? You should probably fix it then... I guess? it says PO-2 were "training aircraft (hence its original uchebnyy designation prefix of "U-") and for crop dusting" — don't seem too "good" let's say.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Article is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches#History_and_tactics …

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          Also states: "the aircraft were obsolete and slow"

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          Also states "Though women were initially barred from combat, Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin issued an order on October 8, 1941 to deploy three women's air force units, including the 588th regiment.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          The regiment, formed by Major Marina Raskova and led by Major Yevdokia Bershanskaya, was made up primarily of female volunteers in their late teens and early twenties." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches …

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          This isn't looking like a sexism-free paradise, but they eventually let women do it.

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        8. End of conversation
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        2. Dima Pasechnik‏ @dimpase 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @paweljmatusz and

          I don't get that "treated differently". The regiment (one of many that flew PO-2 plane) was very successful, flew 23000 sorties at a loss of only 32 lives, was given various high combat awards. For female fighter pilots, check out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Litvyak …

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @dimpase @paweljmatusz and

          "Though women were initially barred from combat," you think men were barred initially too? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches …

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          You think men were called "a bunch of girlies"?https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/07/night-witches-the-female-fighter-pilots-of-world-war-ii/277779/ …

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          You think this was true for the other bombers manned by well, men? "Flying only in the dark, they had no parachutes, guns, radios or radar, only maps and compasses. If hit by tracer bullets, their planes would burn like sheets of paper."https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/world/europe/nadezhda-popova-ww-ii-night-witch-dies-at-91.html …

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @dimpase and

          INB4: you start saying nobody had parachutes or something https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4ugqvh/is_it_true_russian_ww2_soldiers_were_dropped_from/d5qao3c/ …

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        7. End of conversation

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