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Apparently people have no idea what non-EU immigrants go through.
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IME the latter; I have non-EU friends who have been annoyed at how this stuff is suddenly terrible, when they've been putting up with it since forever and nobody cared. and, for the record, abolish it for all. It's shite, and that other countries do it is not a reason to do it
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I'm not going to lie but even the latter option is IMHO damning.
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oh i agree (and I'd have been guilty of being ignorant of it a while ago)
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Also to clarify when I say "damning" I mean into the context. Context being going around claiming taking people's fingerprints is unacceptable and campaigning to stop Brexit but being so painfully ignorant of what the UK does.
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In a more general context, i.e., somebody not campaigning against Brexit, it's not ideal to be ignorant but less egregious.
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I am against borders, which ironically could be seen as a conservative view given borders didn't exist before the 20th century pretty much.
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i've seen brexiters claim their support for leave on the grounds of this inequality though. this is weird because you don't solve a problem (i.e. the treatment of immigrants), by imposing it on more people.
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Often they are Quislings IMHO.
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What’s that?
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it's a term for what they could be. See here for more [but also TW: Nazis]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
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even non-EU academic visitors who intend to stay for more than 6 months (and no more than 1 year) need to take fingerprints, register in a police station, keep them informed about any change of address etc.
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Yes, I know, sadly it's a common thing.
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I don't think that's a fair characterization of
@alexandrabulat's point. We can and should do better in terms of solidarity among immigrants. But it's still valid to feel worried or scared, even if other people are more oppressed/suffering more than you are. -
To be clear, I never claimed any feelings are invalid. I think some really great stuff came up further down the thread where a few people in my field shared their/our immigration experiences.
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As someone who has given the Home office my fingerprints more than once, I think a bit of both. People don't understand how immigration to the UK actually works and their empathy for migrants in general, and non-EU migrants in particular, is very limited
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yes I agree. The way the UK and the EU treat immigrants is despicable, and this should not happen to anyone. I think that the root of the problem is global inequality which drives some migration.
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